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CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos
NY Times ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:31:00 PM PDT by ambrose

The New York Times


September 14, 2004
THE MILITARY RECORD

CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos

By JIM RUTENBERG and KATE ZERNIKE

When the CBS News anchor Dan Rather defended himself on camera and in interviews last Friday against questions being raised about documents he had used to bolster a report on President Bush's National Guard service, he and network executives considered the case closed.

Mr. Rather himself said emphatically: "CBS News stands by, and I stand by, the thoroughness and accuracy of this report, period. Our story is true."

Yet there he was again, on "The CBS Evening News" last night, presenting even more experts to attest to the authenticity of several documents purportedly dating back to the early 1970's suggesting that Mr. Bush received favorable treatment in the Guard.

While Mr. Rather's initial "60 Minutes" report was considered a journalistic coup, coming in the peak of an election year and in the twilight of Mr. Rather's career, the network has found itself under unrelenting pressure from within and without to prove that the documents were genuine amid charges that they could only have been produced by modern-day word processors.

The controversy over the documents has been propelled by a volatile mix of fierce election-year rancor, daily disclosures pointing to potential weaknesses in CBS's report and the network's steadfast refusal to explain how it got the documents.

Even inside CBS News there was deepening concern. Some of Mr. Rather's colleagues said in interviews that they were becoming increasingly anxious for him to silence the critics by proving the documents' validity and as new questions about their origin arose. Most declined to be quoted by name.

CBS said the documents came from the personal files of one of Mr. Bush's Guard commanders, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. The memos indicated that Mr. Bush had failed to take a physical against orders and that Colonel Killian was being pressured to "sugarcoat" his performance rating because Mr. Bush, whose father was then a Texas congressman, was "talking to somebody upstairs."

USA Today, which had presented the documents as legitimate on Thursday, featured an article yesterday with some experts surmising they were forgeries. "We're just busy now trying to determine the authenticity, or not," said the newspaper's executive editor, John Hillkirk.

One of the experts CBS News said initially helped convince it that the documents were genuine, a handwriting expert named Marcel B. Matley, said in an interview yesterday that he believed the signature in the documents to be that of Colonel Killian. Asked if the signature could have been lifted from an official document by Colonel Killian and pasted onto forgeries, Mr. Matley said: "Sure. But we can't draw a conclusion from a possibility."

Several CBS correspondents said in interviews that such developments were making them increasingly nervous.

One network correspondent said, "I've talked to colleagues who would love to see more of a defense."

This person described the state of the staff as "deep concern, I'd say not panic - we all want it to be right." This person, echoing others, said that Mr. Rather's resoluteness in addressing the charges on the air was allaying some of the concern. "Dan really put himself on the line and I can't imagine him knowingly defending something he knew not to be the case."

A longtime correspondent said flatly, "I'm distressed."

Mike Wallace, the longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent, said after hearing about new challenges to the validity of the documents on Sunday, "I'm confused by some of what I've heard today." But of his colleagues working on the report, he said: "You're dealing with genuine professionals. The last thing in the world that any of these people would want is to phony something."

Andrew Heyward, the CBS News president, said in an interview on Sunday that he was not concerned about the validity of the documents or the report CBS News presented. "I'm firmly convinced that the memos are authentic and the stories are accurate," he said.

Addressing staff concerns, Mr. Heyward said, "The story was thoroughly vetted as all pieces of '60 Minutes' are, and the more they know about the process, the more reassured they will be that we used every appropriate journalistic standard and safeguard in reporting the story." A spokeswoman said yesterday he had not changed his position.

Alex S. Jones, director of the Shorenstein Center at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, said the burden was on CBS to prove its report was accurate beyond standard lines like "We stand by our story."

"I think they should be able to provide credible information about how these memos came into their possession," Mr. Jones said. "And if they cannot provide the name of the source, then they need to make as much transparency as possible."

But CBS News officials have made it clear that they will go only so far. They have repeatedly said they do not believe their source for the documents would go public.

One important question raised inside and outside CBS is whether it knows where the documents, which it admits are not originals but copies, came from in the first place and how many hands they passed through. Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents." She would not elaborate.

Last night, CBS did not present any of the other experts who originally helped it authenticate the documents, beyond mentioning Mr. Matley, who was interviewed on the Friday broadcast. Instead it featured computer and typewriter specialists who had called or posted defenses of CBS on Internet blogs.

Richard Katz, a computer software expert in Los Angeles who was featured on the "Evening News" segment, said in an interview that he had called his local affiliate, KCBS, after looking at the memos on the CBS Web site after the initial broadcast, when some experts were saying that the memos looked as if they had been composed using the Times New Roman font in Microsoft Word.

Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said. "If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning. The producer asked him to come in and look at the memorandums and say whether he thought that an I.B.M. typewriter could have produced the documents. He said he was initially leery of talking. "Because quite honestly there's some people out there, they're scary," he said. "You don't agree with them, you offer opinions that don't jibe with theirs and you get a target on your back."

Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; killian; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate
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To: Marak

I like that idea.


101 posted on 09/13/2004 9:24:16 PM PDT by formercalifornian (Democrat platform: Hate, hate, hate, hate, tolerance, hate, hate, hate, hate)
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To: ambrose
The Bush Guard Memos are Forgeries

This article, complete with detailed graphics, is the best proof yet of the forgeries. The author's credentials are impecible.

Dr. Newcomer received his Ph.D. in Computer Science from Carnegie-Mellon University, and spent several years on the CMU CS faculty.

102 posted on 09/13/2004 9:25:25 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: Shermy

Actually, I've noticed that with some yellow highliters, that if you highlight text then photocopy it, the highlit text appears more bold in the copy, with little sign of the yellow remaining.


103 posted on 09/13/2004 9:27:10 PM PDT by Grig
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To: masher
I wouldn't put it past the DNC for one second to put these fake memos out. McAwful was already saying the docs are forgeries and Rove did it. So ...

cBS needs to divulge the source or at a minimum state where he works or for whom.

The person I have heard mentioned the most is the disgruntled guardsman Burkett. But I would wonder who put him up to it.

We'll see won't we. The truth is out there.
104 posted on 09/13/2004 9:30:39 PM PDT by snooker
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To: freestyle

http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/

This blogger had what you are looking for but I don't see it right now. It was also posted on FR. I can't find that one either. :(


105 posted on 09/13/2004 9:32:11 PM PDT by hobson
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To: ambrose

But the 60 minutes piece was all done for a good cause. Surely you understand - reporters are given some leeway (it has always been done in the past, for the sake of THE CAUSE). The aim is to get rid of that scumbag Bush. Washington Post, NY Times - WHY ARE YOU PRINTING AN ARTICLE ABOUT FORGERIES? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? What about defeating Bush???


106 posted on 09/13/2004 9:34:04 PM PDT by DianeDePoitiers (5)
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To: ambrose
"CBS said the documents came from the personal files of one of Mr. Bush's Guard commanders, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian...

Notice there is no indication from this story that SeeBS gpt the docs from the Kerry campaign!!!! And these people call themselves journalists!!! This is so funny. email all your friends. email all your enemies.

107 posted on 09/13/2004 9:35:20 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry trashed OUR service, now he demands reverence for HIS!)
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To: FairOpinion
Is that Bob or Dan? Gees, they do look alike. Maybe Dan's problem is that they are family.

It's in the blood, you can't escape your genes.
108 posted on 09/13/2004 9:35:52 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Howlin
Why hasn't anyone asked THESE questions --

If the CBS copy has been run through a copier, say five or six times (more likely a DOZEN as some have stated)...

o *WHY* were these particular documents run through five or six times (sounds like they were *very* popular)

o just assuming for argument's sake a *single* copy was run off each time (yeah, right), WHERE ARE COPIES FIVE, FOUR, THREE, TWO and the ORIGINAL???

109 posted on 09/13/2004 9:37:09 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: ambrose
Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said. "If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

Are they for real? They have copies of copies of copies of copies of copies faxed copies of a fake memo and they wonder why there are slight variations in boldness of the letters? This is getting more pathetic by the day.

110 posted on 09/13/2004 9:37:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: ambrose

111 posted on 09/13/2004 9:37:18 PM PDT by Boazo
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To: ambrose
As usual...the STORY doesn't support the HEADLINE...grrrr!
112 posted on 09/13/2004 9:37:28 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Boazo

RICHARD NIXON'S REVENGE

Somewhere in California the ghost of Richard Nixon is walking around chuckling softly and murmuring, "You're running now, Dan, my boy."


114 posted on 09/13/2004 9:39:10 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: ambrose
I found a photo of their new expert hard at work:


115 posted on 09/13/2004 9:39:37 PM PDT by GeorgiaFreeper (Hitlery does not have fat ankles. That's where the hooves show through above the foot prosthetics.)
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To: potlatch

Somebody has too


116 posted on 09/13/2004 9:41:41 PM PDT by Boazo
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To: TruthWillWin
Forgery is against the law and someone should be doing some jail time

Excellent point.

117 posted on 09/13/2004 9:41:53 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("The Democratic machine in this country is putrid." Teresa Heinz, 1975)
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To: freestyle
I think the DNC is tied to this and it is akin to Watergate.

I agree. I think the court of public opinion has ruled these documents a forgery.

Next task is to find out who forged the documents, whose hands they passed through, and who else knew about them.

118 posted on 09/13/2004 9:43:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: masher
Odd that cBS didn't detect the obvious, don't you think. Watergate was a third rate burglary, wasn't it?

Little things mean a lot and often get overlooked. Easy to do when judgment gets all clouded up with hate.

We'll see where the trail leads.

119 posted on 09/13/2004 9:43:26 PM PDT by snooker
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To: ambrose
if they cannot provide the name of the source, then they need to make as much transparency as possible."

But CBS News officials have made it clear that they will go only so far. They have repeatedly said they do not believe their source for the documents would go public.

Then they have no story, simple as that.

If they only have copies and cannot validate the source to their viewership it's over.

It's just like a courtroom, if the witness won't testify, and all you have is heresay evidence then you have no case.

In fact , it is worse than that, in this instance there is only heresay evidence and it has been discredited for factual content and format.

Go away, Dan Rather, you are pissing up a rope.

120 posted on 09/13/2004 9:46:26 PM PDT by Wil H
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