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Expert Cited by CBS Says He Didn't Authenticate Papers (On DRUDGE)
Washington Post ^ | 9/14/2004 | Michael Dobbs and Howard Kurtz

Posted on 09/13/2004 7:39:52 PM PDT by jhouston

Edited on 09/13/2004 8:04:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The lead expert retained by CBS News to examine disputed memos from President Bush's former squadron commander in the National Guard said yesterday that he examined only the late officer's signature and made no attempt to authenticate the documents themselves.


(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; electionrather; killian; marcelmatley; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; seebsnews
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
RUTROH, Shaggy, we're in deep sh!t now."

It must be late I was staring at "RUTROH" trying to figure out what
kind of web acronym R - U - T - R - O - H stood for when I finally sounded it out - out loud.

Good night!


221 posted on 09/14/2004 3:18:36 AM PDT by fuzzy122 (GBGB [God Bless George Bush] and the Armed Forces ... Arnold and Zell too!)
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To: Baynative
Continuous
Bull
Sh!t
222 posted on 09/14/2004 3:19:23 AM PDT by fuzzy122 (GBGB [God Bless George Bush] and the Armed Forces ... Arnold and Zell too!)
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To: jhouston

Article with links I added to what the experts REAL thoughts are.

http://www.peteandrews.net/site/2004/expert_cited_by_cbs_says_he_didn.htm


223 posted on 09/14/2004 3:23:00 AM PDT by fuzzy122 (GBGB [God Bless George Bush] and the Armed Forces ... Arnold and Zell too!)
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To: plushaye
The bigger longterm story is not that these particular documents can so easily be exposed as forgeries, but that computer technology today makes possible the production of exact and nigh-undetectable forgeries --- easily -- so that any document alone is suspect. (Allowing that to be so only as to pre-laser and ink jet duplicates -- those older originals are still hard -- ink chemistry, paper composition, key or pen impressions will ever be difficult for forgers to exactingly dupe). Chain of custody, open sourcing, consistency with other evidence and reliable testimony are the ONLY ways *today* to validate information.
224 posted on 09/14/2004 3:23:20 AM PDT by bvw
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To: jhouston
The handwriting expert said from the beginning that all he examined was the handwriting. The man is known as a handwriting expert. He is famous as a handwriting expert.

And it took the WaPo 6 days to figure out that this guy only evaluated the handwriting? More proof of an agenda driven media, and complicity.

225 posted on 09/14/2004 3:27:16 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: jhouston
he examined only the late officer's signature and made no attempt to authenticate the documents themselves. "There's no way that I, as a document expert, can authenticate them," Marcel Matley said in a telephone interview from San Francisco. The main reason, he said, is that they are "copies" that are "far removed" from the originals.

"Examined" the signature, note he didn't even say he "authenticated" the signature. He can't. He wrote a paper for a professional journal that says signature authentication from a photocopy is IMPOSSIBLE.

So not even the signature has been authenticated by CBS's handwriting expert. And authentication of the signature does not establish the authenticity of the documents.

226 posted on 09/14/2004 3:30:26 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: VRWCTexan
Personally I can not imagine how the so called CBS "expert" ever decided that there might be a "match" - NOT even close.

This expert can't say that the signature is authentic. He had an article published in a professional journal about 2 yeas ago that flat out says it is not possible to authenticate a signature from a copy. Period. It is only possible to conclude the signature is false, from a photocopy.

In other words, the CBS expert authenticated nothing, by his own account.

227 posted on 09/14/2004 3:34:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

A 'right' cross knocked down the LEFTY in the late rounds.


228 posted on 09/14/2004 3:36:01 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: Aunt Polgara
You did notice that Glennon DID NOT say that all of the features of the docs could be replicated with 1972 technology... I believe it's called lying by omission.

Or, being asked the wrong question. The media asks the wrong question nearly ALL the time.

"Some people have said that the superscript could not have been made on a typewriter, is that true?" -- bad question, doesn't get to the nub, and permits the opponent to get one part right and with a wave of the hand, deflect other questions.

"The authenticity of these memos is drawn into question because many forensic features are inconsistent with typewriters of the era, and the substance is inconsistent with the official records. Are you a document expert, and what are the limitations of your expertise? Based on your qualifications, is this document authentic? If not, why not?" Good question. Open ended, doesn't lead the expert, establishes clear limits on the scope of the comments, etc. And for a document to be authentic, all aspects of it have to "jive."

229 posted on 09/14/2004 3:42:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Diago

LOL Great!


230 posted on 09/14/2004 3:45:32 AM PDT by moonman
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To: My back yard

FReep for great justice!


231 posted on 09/14/2004 3:47:46 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: plushaye

The Washington Post has added a new and very important source -- Adobe, the god of fonts.


232 posted on 09/14/2004 3:48:26 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: moonman

At the very, very least CBS has thrown itself out of the 'This Just In' business for this election cycle.


233 posted on 09/14/2004 3:48:55 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Cicero

NYT article is tamer than the Post's, but it is on board.


234 posted on 09/14/2004 3:50:51 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: hawkaw
Gee when I reading the Wash. post article, I thought, for just a second, I was reading a Freeper thread from last Thursday morning.

You were.
235 posted on 09/14/2004 3:58:09 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: omstrat

Doesn't get in the papers in NYC? Check out the New York Post sometime.


236 posted on 09/14/2004 4:02:19 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: cmurphy

Poor flounder has lost his website over this. His web host was overwhelmed by traffic.


237 posted on 09/14/2004 4:02:21 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: All

We need to remember every word Dan Rather and CBS is using to dispute these memos as fakes. It seems all his so-called experts are cutting and running by denying what Dan Rather is implying concerning these memos. If and when Rather and CBS tries to use a slippery escape route to get out of this mess, one which they themselves have caused and which could have been minimized, we will have word-for-word the 'gotcha'.


238 posted on 09/14/2004 4:16:46 AM PDT by moonman
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To: ArmyBratproud
How much you wanna bet Rather has been offering large sums of cash to "experts" over the past 4 days.

I'll bet he hasn't found any.

239 posted on 09/14/2004 4:19:49 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: plushaye

"And Laura Bush is now commenting!! "

If Rather had any sense left, he'd want to come clean before the President is asked about this at a press conference.

When the Pres. comes out and says the memos are forgeries its going to be TSHTF again for CBS.

And, I noticed in the Drudge article from CBS news last night 'Questions Linger Over Bush Memos' that there was an actual quote from Col. Udell, of the TANG that says: ""I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on 60 Minutes,"' Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968." "

That is the first instance of CBS deviating from the Rather insistance that the Docs are real.

Could CBS be trying to distance themselves from Rather?


240 posted on 09/14/2004 4:25:46 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Partisan Political Operative)
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