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All You Have to Do Is Believe(can't believe we are losing to Bush!)
TIME ^ | 09/11/04 | JOE KLEIN

Posted on 09/13/2004 6:37:56 PM PDT by Pikamax

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To: Pikamax
The war in Iraq was not a necessity.

Yes it was Joe. Just like the coming war in Iran (Syria. Pick em), will be.

9-11 changed everything, Joe.

Klein, you and your fellow travelers haven't figured out we are at war. War with the Islamofacsists. And if we don't kill them there (Iraq/Afghanistan...), we will surely have to kill them here.

Buy a clue Joe.

5.56mm

41 posted on 09/13/2004 8:47:42 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: vox humana
Even some of the most rabid rats have finally realized that Kerry is an empty suit.

I think you have it backwards. John Edwards is the empty suit. John Kerry is the stuffed shirt.

Although I suppose they are versatile enough to switch off now and then.

42 posted on 09/13/2004 8:47:51 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi MInh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: BoBToMatoE

All great points.


43 posted on 09/13/2004 8:47:55 PM PDT by MNnice
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To: Pikamax
They still don't get. Bush is winning because he's RIGHT. Nobody cares about the mud being thrown at Bush because everyone knows it's DUNG. What has come out about Kerry is TRUE. It's starting to look like to me that the Dems are simply delusional and are, as Michael Savage suggested, mentally ill. They're a couple cans short of a six pack. THATS what's killing them because the American people see it. I love the line:

...How could Cheney get away with saying, in effect, that a vote for Kerry was a vote for terrorism?...

Ummm, because it's true and everyone knows it? These people have completely checked out of the program. They're just as nuts as Stalin, Pol Pot and Castro, difference is, we've got a press that's still relatively open (consider the internet, Rush Limbaugh, etc.). In the totalitarian regimes of the Marxist wet dream, the press was completely controlled. Here, that Marxist influence and control is waning and the truth is being starkly placed alongside their delusional world view. AMERICANS SEE IT NOW.
44 posted on 09/13/2004 8:50:37 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: Pikamax
A long time ago last week, the vice president of the United States said that if John Kerry is elected President "the danger is that we'll get hit again" by terrorists. It was an outrageous statement, which exposed the rampaging hubris of the Republican Party these days and it should have been a big story.

It should have been a big story? Are you high, Joe Klein? It was been a big story. Why? Because what Cheney actually said was distorted.

All big stories coming from the DNC these days are manufactured. Is pretending to be outraged over something that wasn't said bearing false witness, John Kerry?

These guys make me ill
45 posted on 09/13/2004 8:53:16 PM PDT by True_wesT
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To: Pikamax

These pathetic leftist apologists and America haters are cringing now. For some reason they can't explain, the march to socialism, pushed to such great success in Europe, is taking a nose dive in America. Their sad, pathetic devotion to that ancient religion of faux compassion, faux charity and indeed, faux goodness; isn't saving them now. The lies are laid bare for a rational, open-minded but perhaps uninitiated American public to see in all it's horror. By the brilliant hand of Madison, Hamilton and Jay the U.S. has taken a detour from the path of parliamentary governments, third world dictatorships and the Soviet bloc. That "shining city on a hill" they so love to hate is shining brighter and mankind has renewed hope. It is the end which all evil-doers despise and they know not what to do. I love it.


46 posted on 09/13/2004 9:02:59 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: Finalapproach29er

1000 dead for starters.
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While that is a stark number, I recall reading this week that there were estimates that we have killed as many as 25,000 terrorists in Iraq. Tactically, the more they expose themsselves in a Tet-like offensive, the better for our attrition plans. By the way, you are aware that the Tet offensive was a crippling defeat of the Viet Cong after which they were never again a fighting force?

And in the end, as Tommy Franks said, its better to be fighting them there than here.

Fallujah: We lost several Marines while taking 1/3-1/2 the city, then stopped and pull back. This was Sanchez' plan.
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Fallujah is an unfinished story. In World War II we bypassed Japanese strong points and strangled them. I have read counter-terrorism posts at Belmont Club indicating that letting terrorists gather and grow sloppy before killing them in mass in a place like Fallujah can be very effective.

Sadr-city: We fought for more than 2 weeks, then let Sadr go!
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Did you read that thousands of Iraqi's demonstrated against Sadr this weekend? He is a discredited loser, who lost many many young men. Clauzwitz would have very much approved the combination of political and military strategy that brought this conclusion.

We're not serious about winning, otherwise we would be exterminating the 5000-10,000 unfriendlies in Iraq.
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See my first post. Are you reading Chrenkoff's blogg?


Here is what was publshed from his site in today's Wall Street Journal:

On the security front, while sporadic fighting and terrorist activity continue, there are also some positive developments. In Baghdad, there are indications that the public support for insurgency might be waning: "Overwhelmingly residents of the war-torn area voiced their frustration and anger at the militia, noting that they were tired of the civilian casualties, tired of being without basic services and wanting nothing more than to get back to their normal life," says Cpl. Benjamin Cossel with the First Cavalry Division.

From Najaf, more evidence emerges of the behavior of Muqtada al Sadr's militia during the recent fighting--see this post by Iraqi blogger Zeyad. And another Iraqi blogger, Omar, reports on the recent statement by Iraqi clerics condemning the atrocities committed by al Sadr and his followers while in control of Najaf.

The Iraqi security apparatus is playing an increasingly important role. The Iraqi police force is at the forefront of struggle for better order, most of the time under difficult conditions and at great personal risk:


Iraqi police cadet Meqdad al-Izzawi once served Saddam Hussein as a navy officer. Now, he says he is taking one of the most dangerous jobs in the new Iraq because he wants to serve his people.
"My hope is to execute the law in Iraq and restore stability to the Iraqi people, because we never enjoyed security, even under Saddam Hussein," said the 28-year-old al-Izzawi, one of 1,559 Iraqi recruits attending basic police training at a U.S.-run camp in the Jordanian desert.

Like al-Izzawi, fellow Iraqi recruit Abdul-Razzaq al-Qaissi signed up for the new police force because he was incensed by growing terrorism at home by insurgents and foreign fighters, including Jordanian militant Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi.

"Al-Zarqawi and other terrorists are a source of concern to my countrymen and we have to put an end to their actions," said al-Qaissi, 28, who served as a soldier in the domestic security division of Saddam's dismantled army, guarding vital institutions, like government offices and diplomatic missions in Iraq.

With Western assistance, more and more Iraqi police officers find their way onto their beats. Says a British brigadier who is helping to rebuild the force:

Why would anyone want to be a police officer in Iraq? It's dangerous, no question. But there has never been a problem recruiting. We're training 5,000 new officers every eight weeks.
Obviously, one reason is the pay: $220 a month is a lot here. But most officers say they want to serve their country. They want to build a better Iraq. Their nation has such potential; fulfilling it requires security, and they want to be part of that. . . .

We were late to recognize that without an effective police force, we're going to be here a lot longer. But now we have 500 international police advisers and 200 police trainers. The FBI and DEA have arrived to teach intelligence. We've put 23,000 officers through leadership courses at three different levels.

Meanwhile, the police force is chalking up some successes, like breaking up the biggest kidnapping ring in Baghdad, responsible for taking several government officials and scientists for ransom. The gang was composed of criminals amnestied by Saddam Hussein in 2002. In a related, albeit this time moral, victory, the most senior Sunni religious body in Iraq, the ulema, has issues a fatwa, declaring hostage-taking to be un-Islamic and ordering that all hostages be released.
It's not just the police, but also the army, which is proving their worth. "The Iraqi security forces, every day, are proving themselves more capable and more fit," says Air Force Brig. Gen. Erv Lessel, the multinational forces' deputy operations director. The report notes that "besides being called in to restore law and order in Najaf and elsewhere across the country, Iraq's security forces also have been responsible for discovering a number of explosive devices and weapons caches in recent weeks. For example, Iraqi National Guard members found a huge cache of weapons and ordnance Aug. 26 during a joint raid conducted with U.S. Marines on a home near Haswah, according to a Multinational Force Iraq news release. About 132 107 mm rockets were seized during the raid, the release stated, as well as seven 57 mm rockets, 10 AK-47 assault rifles, seven 125 mm tank rounds, five rocket-propelled grenade launchers, 124 RPG rounds, 200 mortar rounds, bomb-making materials and improvised explosive devices."

Another report notes: "Joint U.S. and Iraqi forces have arrested 500 suspected insurgents in a major raid in the majority Sunni town of Al-Latifiyah, south of Baghdad. The raid--the first undertaken in the Sunni triangle by the new Iraqi interim government--highlights the increasingly frontline role of Iraqi forces in security operations." Meanwhile, a new Iraqi army base reopens:



The pace is way too slow. We are trying to do this operation without breaking any dishes, and to please public opinion.

Public Opinion wouldn't matter if we were serious. The parameters for use of force would be loosened up to complete the job-world opinion be damned.

More Americans will likely have to be rubbed out at home before we get serious, I'm sorry to say. I only hope it isn't too bad, or too late.

That's how I see it.


47 posted on 09/13/2004 9:08:24 PM PDT by gogipper (Zell Miller -- At last a Democrat who isn't truth impaired.....Give 'em hell Zell.)
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To: Pikamax

Nothing but cliche's written by the DNC. Joe Klein is lazy.


48 posted on 09/13/2004 9:09:29 PM PDT by Fledermaus (A Kerry supporter = a Jacques Strap!)
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To: Pikamax
How could Cheney get away with saying, in effect, that a vote for Kerry was a vote for terrorism?

First, because it's true. Second, because the Kerry camp's reaction to Cheney's statement has fluctuated between whining and hysteria -- neither reaction is viewed as presidential.

49 posted on 09/13/2004 9:36:37 PM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: gogipper

Thanks for the info.


50 posted on 09/14/2004 10:56:52 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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