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1 posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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it's time to FREEP IBM!!! let them know you want THEM to clear up this mess and will hold them ACCOUNTABLE if they don't by never buying anything from IBM ever again!!!

goto IBM.com and ust Contact Us at the bottom of the page.

79 posted on 09/13/2004 5:22:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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CBS flavord cool aid, YUM! (/s)


CBS REVEAK THE NAMES OF THE SOURCES.

There is no first amendment protection for fraud, forgeries, or LIES. THat is first year constitutional law!


81 posted on 09/13/2004 5:25:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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CBS says that the information came from " solid sources"!!

HAHAHA....I heard they can't even REMEMBER who their " solid sources" were!!!!!

82 posted on 09/13/2004 5:27:25 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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I put together a summary that hits the high points of this story, at least as of a few days ago, taking care to mention Buckhead a couple of times.

After you read that, does any doubt remain that Rather and crew tried to pull a fast one?

84 posted on 09/13/2004 5:29:17 PM PDT by sevry
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This has probably been asked countless times but I wonder
if any other documents generated by Lt Col Killian which
refer to individuals other than Bush have been uncovered.
One would think that the C-RatherBS camp would be looking
pretty hard for similar supporting documentation, not that
it would prove authenticity. But, if Killian had saved
files regarding Bush then why wouldn't he or someone have
files/memos referencing all sorts of different individuals
and issues that could be used for the sake of comparison?
Why not? Because other memos will only exist if the felon
who generated the Bush memos gets back to work on his/her
computer.


86 posted on 09/13/2004 5:36:24 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

Then why doesn't one of those experts take the challenge and duplicate the character spacing on the memos using 1970's technology?

90 posted on 09/13/2004 5:42:13 PM PDT by Wissa
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If anyone is interested, CBS's self destruction already has a soundtrack: The DAN RATHER SONG (one of my favorites).

(Click here for the story of another CBS failure in intimidation about this song. - The CBS Threat).

92 posted on 09/13/2004 5:49:36 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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and document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

This is so simple it boggles the mind. RE-CREATE THE DOCUMENTS CBS!

What's so tough about that? Tell everyone how the creation was accomplished. Simple. What typewriter/typesetter/whatever was used, what font, the steps, everything. Others can use your description and validate your approach. Done. Case closed. But you don't. Is it because you can't. That's what it looks like. Dan, all the resources of CBS News and you can't even find the typewriter that might have produced the documents? Five days later and you can't even name the equipment? How impotent are you? How lame is CBS News?

Those claiming the documents are forged have already reproduced the documents. They did it in about 15 minutes. They told everyone how they did it. They are believable. What are you?

94 posted on 09/13/2004 5:50:49 PM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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Whether Rather and CBS like it or not, it is THEY who are now on trial.

This will be CBS's Waterloo.

96 posted on 09/13/2004 5:52:50 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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If I didn't know better, I could swear this CBS news item is the first gentle attempt to remove Rather's cold dead hands from around the neck of this story and return it to some sort of objective reporting.
You don't suppose this is the first move by senior management to step in and say we've had enough of this Dan, it's all down hill from here so we're sending you off to the showers before you bring the whole damn network crashing down around all our ears.


99 posted on 09/13/2004 6:00:08 PM PDT by finnigan2
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The NG "controversy" is a non-issue. How stupid of the Democrats to get into a frenzy over it. Is it to divert from other issues such as the Sandy Berger fiasco? Now that deserves attention.


104 posted on 09/13/2004 6:10:01 PM PDT by Dante3
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THere's got to be a lot of dissention in the house of CBS. The irony of them reporting critically on themselves is delicious.


105 posted on 09/13/2004 6:26:46 PM PDT by Paul_B (paltalk: barleyloaf)
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someone has and IBM equipment web site with photos of all these all type writers.

http://www.etypewriters.com/history.htm

There is even a story about the composer and the Killan letters already added to the data about the composer.

106 posted on 09/13/2004 6:36:52 PM PDT by q_an_a
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The Rowback begins.

CBS has not been idle all weekend. They have been talking to lawyers ("Can we get sued for this screwup?" and the answer is, not really) and to damage-control PR consultants.

Note that they still insist they have many experts, but they still keep their experts secret, an indication that they really don't have experts. An expert who authenticates a document is not a source. The experts themselves, if they exist, should be pleased to be associated with such a high-profile case, so if they are being kept secret it's CBS's doing (or, of course, there are no experts).

Note that they mischaracterize some of the negative testimony that they include here -- "Killian's son also questioned some of the documents...." He actually called them all forgeries. Likewise they fudge Manley's credentials: he's strictly a handwriting analyst, and they don't mention that he is an "expert for hire" that testifies as lawyers desire in cases, and they don't mention that in an article he wrote he insisted that you cannot authenticate a photocopy -- just what he's done here. I guess what he really meant was, you can't authenticate a photocopied signature unless the money is really good. The guy is a fraud. (Why is he in this case? From his mannerisms, my guess is that he's gay and part of all the pink anti-Bush hostility the fairies are experiencing right now).

As is usual with the MSM, what they leave out is more important than the pabulum that they pump in. They don't mention the blogosphere. They don't mention the last surviving Selectric Composer's inability to duplicate the memo, or the nightmarish gyrations the user had to go through to make it happen. They don't mention the almost $40,000 reward that is being offered to anyone who can duplicate the CBS forgeries on 1972 typewriters. They don't mention the other typographic peculiarities of the documents, like its use of True Type negative-offset letterspacing that would be invented almost 20 years later. They don't mention USA Today getting alternate versions of the documents! Why would there be several versions of a memo to file...?

And then, as support for their claim that the order to take a physical was not forged, they use the date -- which is the date Bush was suspended for not taking his birth month physical.

And this winner: "Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents." They don't mention that while: Killian's boss, his admin officer, his wife and his son have all called BS on these documents; the only one that vouches for them, Bob Strong, is a Democrat who at the time was a low-ranking sergeant who worked in a different building -- not the buddy-buddy of Killian that he and Rather portray.

CBS is trying to sneak its way out of this by pretending it is just learning these things were bogus... give me a break. They knew all along. Heck, they probably created the documents themselves. The originals are probably in The Dan's "My Documents" folder.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


115 posted on 09/13/2004 9:16:04 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Did the paper lie? I dunno, was there ink on the pages today?)
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fox news berard goldberg former CBS on now, he wrote bias...on now!


118 posted on 09/14/2004 5:17:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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"There's one document from May 1972 that contains a normal "th" on the top. To produce that in Microsoft Word, you would have to go out of your way to type the letters and then turn the "th" setting off, or back up and then type it again," said Katz.

This is incorrect. The superscript "th" can be reversed, merely by hitting control-z (which is the undo typing command under edit on the menu).

I work as a medical transcriber and use Word as my standard word processor. I have installed a lot of autocorrects, in addition to the standard ones, on the computer I use at work. On a few occasions each day, there are autocorrects I want to reverse. Maybe it's my experience with Word, but this is not something that is going out of my way. It is something quickly and easily done. In any case, if Katz is an expert, he should know about it.

123 posted on 09/14/2004 6:46:21 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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NEVER FORGET


Associated Press must return its bogus -NO GUN RI- PULITZER

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=509


NEVER FORGET

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124 posted on 09/15/2004 11:39:21 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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