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From Biased to Partisan: The mainstream media moves left.
National Review Online ^ | 9/13/04 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:36:02 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: Bahbah
I Am Born

Anyone who has even a passing interest in writing should stand in awe of Dickens.

62 posted on 09/13/2004 9:50:03 AM PDT by lemura
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To: stuartcr
Unless you witness something yourself...there's really no way of knowing the truth,

What nonsense.

63 posted on 09/13/2004 9:50:07 AM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: Lexington Green

Murrow would be ashamed.


64 posted on 09/13/2004 9:50:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: cyncooper

Nope, you have to do your own research.....besides, biased and partisan doesn't necessarily mean something was reported falsely or wrong.


65 posted on 09/13/2004 9:52:27 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: cyncooper

So you really know what happened in VietNam with Mr. Kerry?


66 posted on 09/13/2004 9:54:00 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: lemura
Why?

You don't understand the premise that everyone should have a problem with faking documents?

You should have a problem with illegal activity.

As to your "clear and open partisanship" I say that's just groovy. But even that precludes forging papers to write a story and your recommended response being a shrug and a sigh and murmurs of "everybody does it". No, they don't and there will always be laws against lying in that manner.

67 posted on 09/13/2004 9:55:15 AM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: hispanarepublicana
I don't buy this argument entirely. A vast swath of readership the New York Times and viewership of the networks are independents and conservatives. People who self-identify as liberals make up only 20 percent of the population or less.

Even in New York City, there are conservatives and the paper sells all around the suburbs for 50 or more miles -- where there are many more independents and conservatives.

As for CBS, its audience share is far, far larger than a strictly liberal audience. You cannot rationalize the move to partisanship as a decision reinforced by a business strategy. Remember that it is advertisers, not readers, who pay the bills.

Advertisers want large numbers across the board or a sizable targeted audiences. The more readers and viewers the Old Media lose, the more advertising dollars they lose. The move to the left is purely driven by rabid partisanship in the newsrooms and up the highest levels of the corporations that own the media.

This time the stakes are the highest ever in this Presidential election. If Bush wins big, Roe v Wade could be overturned and the marriagement amendment become the law. They will have utterly lost the culture wars.

68 posted on 09/13/2004 9:57:22 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: cyncooper
Prove that the memos are fraudulent (ie illegal). If CBS doesn't retract, then there's no recourse. Think Justice is going to do anything? There's a dream world and there's reality. I prefer to live in reality.

The people who care know the memos are fake. The people who don't care know the memos are fake. The net effect is that no one to the right of Roosevelt trusts or cares what CBS reports.

69 posted on 09/13/2004 9:59:14 AM PDT by lemura
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To: stuartcr
Nope, you have to do your own research

You asserted "conservative" news outlets were as biased as liberal, implying they would resort to deception like their liberal brethren. There is no example you can present to support this idea.

besides, biased and partisan doesn't necessarily mean something was reported falsely or wrong.

My dear stuart, we are discussing *forged documents*. That is by definition "false" and "wrong".

70 posted on 09/13/2004 10:00:45 AM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: stuartcr

It's pretty obvious by the positions voters took and the people they elected.


71 posted on 09/13/2004 10:00:47 AM PDT by LS
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To: stuartcr
Yes, I have a very good idea.

I've also watched trials and actually been on a jury and have been able to form "beyond a reasonable doubt" and even "beyond a shadow of a doubt" conclusions as to guilt or innocence.

72 posted on 09/13/2004 10:02:20 AM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: lemura
I prefer to live in reality.

As do I.

73 posted on 09/13/2004 10:03:37 AM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Last night, at the 2 A.M. news break on WTAM, the newsreader did a story about some Vietnam Vets that protested against Kerry at the Capitol. They shouted "Kerry Lied".
End of story.

I immediately called the news room for the station and got the person who had read the story. I told him that he left out the other half of the sentence, "GOOD MEN DIED!". Without the rest of the quotation, "Kerry lied" basically meant nothing. Kerry lied... about what?, why?, to what end?.

The newsreader said, "Well, that came straight from the Associated Press news story." He said he would do some research, I told him to check out Vietnam Veterans for the Truth, and... the story never ran again after that for the rest of the night.

My take on this is that the AP didn't exactly lie about the rally yesterday by the Vietnam Vets, but by conveniently eliminating the CENTRAL argument, "Good men died", they very effectively slanted the story.


74 posted on 09/13/2004 10:03:47 AM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (W.W.P.D.? - What Would Patton Do?)
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To: cyncooper

In none of my comments did I mention anything specific..I was commenting on the lead-in line..."From Biased to Partisan: The mainstream media moves left"


75 posted on 09/13/2004 10:06:22 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: LS

The left shift happened with the Great Depression, and it took 25 years for that generation to bubble to the top of the institutions.


76 posted on 09/13/2004 10:09:14 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: hispanarepublicana

bump


77 posted on 09/13/2004 10:09:54 AM PDT by fso301
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To: LS

Including Grover Cleveland and the Spanish-American war? Do you think the general poulation of the US had a good grasp of why we went to war? There still is no agreement on how the Maine blew up. Or do you think the general poulation really knew why Pres Polk decided to go to war with Mexico? You said earlier people knew the truth...did they? I don't believe any general population anywhere, really knows why their govt does some of the things that it does, and I certainly don't believe the media tells the truth very often when dealing with these types of issues.


78 posted on 09/13/2004 10:20:27 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: cyncooper

Then you should come forward with this information, and put an end to all this debate, so we can address the real issues that face our nation, instead of all this VietNam and Nat Guard crap.


79 posted on 09/13/2004 10:22:42 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: stuartcr
OOOOOOOoooooooo .. . .K.

Got my tinfoil hat on now.

80 posted on 09/13/2004 10:23:42 AM PDT by LS
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