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1 posted on 09/12/2004 10:13:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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They're throwing this nutso Guard guy up as a patsy...we can't let them do that. It's too easy. We all now they came from Kerry Kamp or the DNC...


2 posted on 09/12/2004 10:18:32 PM PDT by 302damnfast
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New York Times??????

I am going outside to see if the sky is falling or if there are any airborne pigs flapping around....


3 posted on 09/12/2004 10:18:45 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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Long live William Safire. A voice of reason from the premier leftist dog training paper!
5 posted on 09/12/2004 10:21:17 PM PDT by sixxiron
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Hoo boy... this guy authenticated Foster's 'suicide note' too? The ball just keeps rollin'!


6 posted on 09/12/2004 10:21:47 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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Freerepublic mentioned in the New York Times without labeling the site "right-wing" or a "right-wing hate site"? I never thought I'd see the day!

Although, it is the Times' lonely conservative op-ed writer....
7 posted on 09/12/2004 10:22:27 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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BTTT


8 posted on 09/12/2004 10:22:39 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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The NYT would know about this...


10 posted on 09/12/2004 10:22:56 PM PDT by pistola (the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese)
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When the mainstream press???????!!!!!!! checked the sources mentioned or ignored by "60 Minutes II," the story came apart.

The old media is dead, but they still won't admit it. The Times is trying to credit everybody BUT FR and the bloggers. They would never have covered this story if they hadn't been dragged kicking and screaming into it. Doesn't sound like they're quite ready to admit that Dan was just the bag man, and that the Rats in the DNC were behind the smear, but with Hannity, Fox and Rush trumpeting what was uncovered on the web, they can't pretend the memos are real any more.

13 posted on 09/12/2004 10:31:16 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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Talk about something snowballing. This has been impressive to see unfold. MSM grows increasingly irrelevant.


14 posted on 09/12/2004 10:33:55 PM PDT by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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The fact this is in the NYT is huge. WHo is left? Globe and CBS. THe rest of the MSM is doing a 180 ! Wow.


15 posted on 09/12/2004 10:34:51 PM PDT by madison46 (Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
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Dan Rather has only been able to find ONE expert who publicly authenticated the photocopied memos. That expert himself stated two years ago that it is physically impossible to authenticate a document from a photocopy.


Using and Cross-Examining Handwriting Experts
Marcel B. Matley

"In fact, modern copiers and computer printers are so good that they permit easy fabrication of quality forgeries. From a copy, the document examiner cannot authenticate the unseen original but may well be able to determine that the unseen original is false. Further, a definite finding of authenticity for a signature is not possible from a photocopy, while a definite finding of falsity is possible."

http://d2d.ali-aba.org/_files/thumbs/components/PLIT0209-MATLEY_thumb.pdf




And now per CNN, Marcel Matley says he is "muzzled" by CBS and not allowed to talk to reporters...

KURTZ: "Although I have interviewed Rather and Andrew Heyward, the president of CBS News, and I said, well, look, who are your document experts? So they finally gave me the name of a handwriting expert in San Francisco, and I called him, and he says, I am muzzled, I can't talk, CBS has asked me not to talk to the press."

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/12/rs.00.html


17 posted on 09/12/2004 10:36:31 PM PDT by Tamzee (Free Republic .... Partisan Pajama People)
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A Congressman's son getting preferential treatment in the military? Who could possibly believe that? Especially since the base wasn't within ten miles of the Congressman's district

Congressmen's sons were rarer then hen's teeth in the military. They would have been treated like royalty in the military even more than they are in civilian companies because promotions are so political and officers are scared sh*tless of "Congressionals"..

"General, you did a good job shining my shoes, I'll commend you to my father."

And the thought that a Congressman's son would need pull to get into a six year commitment when he could have been drafted for two years and served his time in Hawaii is an insult to common sense.

18 posted on 09/12/2004 10:36:36 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry's promise not to act until attacked gives the terrorists carte blanch to attack.)
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It may be that CBS is the victim of a whopping journalistic hoax,

A hoax???? This is criminal.

22 posted on 09/12/2004 10:44:32 PM PDT by Always Right
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The grey lady sings!


23 posted on 09/12/2004 10:44:49 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Truth and liberty: The Battle Hymn of Free Republic)
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"To shut up sources and impugn the motives of serious critics - from opinionated bloggers to straight journalists - demeans the Murrow tradition."


CBS is trying to stomp on this without giving up the smear. They think they can somehow say "We admit they're forgeries...but let's forget that and get on to what the memos say." It's completely idiotic--"Pay no attention to the 800-lb. gorilla behind the curtain!" If they'd immediatelly stomped on this, we'd be getting the ending trickle of op-eds about it today. But they're perpetuating the smear, and digging in deeper. They will soon turn up even mORE smears, hoping to bring Bush down, and then cruise into a Kerry presidency. But they are TRASHING their last shreds of journalistic integrity because, as Bernie Goldberg (VINDICATED!) has said--They SO want it to be true.


24 posted on 09/12/2004 10:48:17 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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Here's the slightly naughty animated version
25 posted on 09/12/2004 10:50:55 PM PDT by happydogdesign
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Hodges now says he was "misled" - he thought the memos were handwritten - and believes the machine-produced "documents" to be forgeries. (CBS accuses the officer of changing his story.)

CBS' claim that the officer changed his story is nothing but a red herring. Depending on the exact circumstances, it may have some bearing on CBS' complicity in the fraud, but it has no bearing on whether the documents are forgeries.

26 posted on 09/12/2004 10:52:02 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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"Hey, Dan: On this, recognize the preponderance of doubt. Call for a panel of old CBS hands and independent editors to re-examine sources and papers."

The story moves on. Whether Dan Rather likes it or not, this story is going to move on. If they wait and convene a panel and declare the documents inauthentic in a few days, it won't make any difference because that will be old news by then.

There are a lot of interesting parallels between this CBS memo story and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story. In both cases the mainstream media felt like they were in control of the clock. They delayed acknowledging known events, with the effect of exacerbating rather than ameliorating the negative impact of stories which played against their candidate.

Both the Democrats and the left-leaning media would do well to realize they cannot control the dissemination of information (anymore), and it is in their own interest to not pretend to do so. They could take an object lesson from their nemesis Mr. Rove. As soon as he got the memos, he released them without comment. The White House simply said "we don't know if they're forged or not", and stayed on message. The truth doesn't have to hurt if you don't let it.

27 posted on 09/12/2004 11:01:26 PM PDT by dano1
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It may be that CBS is the victim of a whopping journalistic hoax, besmearing a president to bring him down. What should a responsible news organization do?

First of all, I can't believe I am reading this in the NY Times. Maybe they are letting Sapphire play the part of a 'Responsible News person' filing an accurate and complete account. But few will mistake that the NY Times is actually a "responsible news organization", and they have shown repeatedly over the past years that they have no idea how a "responsible news organization" would act.

Secondly, the "hoax" here didn't start with CBS "News". "Responsible Journalists" (if there are any anymore) will want to trace the lineage of these documents from the DNC, to the Kerry campaign, then to CBS "News". THAT is the story, and that is what a "responsible news organization" would actually be following up on.

28 posted on 09/12/2004 11:02:12 PM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: COURAGE

William Safire mentioned you in this article.


30 posted on 09/12/2004 11:08:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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