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Hugh Hewitt's list of problems with CBS Documents
hughhewitt.com ^ | 09/12/2004 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 09/12/2004 9:39:44 AM PDT by Checkers

*Lt Col Killian didn't type;

*Lt Col Killian's family says he did not maintain such records;

*Guard regulations prohibited the maintenance of such records;

*General Bobby Hodges didn't vouch for the docs as CBS said he would;

*Colonel Buck Staudt --cited in the memos as pushing Killian to "sugarcoat" a Bush evaluation-- had retired more than a year before the meo was allegedly written;

*Bloggers have been overwhelmed with e-mails from active duty and retire dmilitary who scoff at the form of the memos;

*Typewriters with proportional spacing were rare in '72/3;

*Typewriters with superscripting capabilites were rare in '72/3;

*Typewriters with perfect centering ability were non-existent '72/3;

*Typewriters with the "kerning" function didn't exist in '72/3;

*Most experts, from Dr.Cartwright at Rice, the above-referenced Dr. Bouffard and Farrell Shiver, range from certain to almost certain in their conclusions that the docs are not legit;

*CBS doesn't have the "originals" and didn't reveal that fact until pressure mounted;

*The fake docs are easily and exactly reproduced on modern word-processing equipment, underscoring the ease with which the bad forgery could have been produced contrasted with the near impossibility of Lt Colonel Killian's producing them in 192/3;

*Lt Col Killian lacked motive to write and maintain such records;

*Despite intense media interest in the president's TANG career that extends back at least four years, someone sat on these docs until seven weeks before the 2004 election and after the RNC convention;

*CBS has a history of obtaining docs damaging to the Bush Adminsitration which in all likelihood came from Democratic partisans;

*CBS won't reveal its source;

*CBS has a history of blowing stories that involved fake documents; and

*Dan Rather has not appeared opposite a serious journalist to answer extended questions on camera, even though his reputation and the reputation of his network are being shredded and a confidant witness would demand a hearing with a Russert or a Hume.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsgate; cbsnews; hewitt; killian; rather; rathergate; tang
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To: Checkers

Is there a freeper out there who routinely handles document production and impeachment in a court of law? I'm a lawyer and have had some experience with it but I don't have much experience with jury trials and none with criminal procedure so don't know whether these memos could be admitted. Clearly, they're hearsay first of all but might be admissable under the business records exception but the best evidence rule would require an original, especially where the possibility of forgery exists. If it can be established that these are forgeries, then someone has committed fraud. Fraud seems to be to trump the journalistic ethic against revealing sources.


21 posted on 09/12/2004 10:04:41 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Checkers; Howlin; Buckhead; Southack; stockpirate; All

Go read Page 6 (linked through Drudge).
Seems Les Moonves made a rare appearance at CBS on Friday. They are poo-poohing it, but this would be consistent with the time the forgeries story broke wide open. Dan's voice was hoarse from having to defend his sorry decision, is my opinion.


22 posted on 09/12/2004 10:11:28 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: Checkers

What amazes me is that it is CBS's responsibility to prove it's case.


The debate MUST switch to CBS's proving its contention is accurate OR it becomes a just a matter of interpretation.

But since they are making the charge, it is CBS's duty to either prove it's case or withdraw the charge.

When will the media and the RNC make this point?

The entire debate hangs on this distinction.
23 posted on 09/12/2004 10:14:46 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Checkers

I've sent the emails to Redstone and Moonves, and a follow-up to my earlier email to the FCC.

We should make these people understand that this criminal scandal won't die.


24 posted on 09/12/2004 10:14:52 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Checkers

I think an investigation is in order with regards to Dan Rather's daughter, Robin. She and Barnes are high ranking members of the DNC.


25 posted on 09/12/2004 10:23:38 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: Checkers
Perhaps it's there and I missed it, but one more that I found especially convincing - typewriters don't keep a tight baseline. Some of the characters will tend to be a bit high, and some a bit low.
26 posted on 09/12/2004 10:23:53 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (I was humble, before I was born. -- J Frondeur Kerry)
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To: Checkers

But, but, but Blather stands behind the docs...
Like that senile old fool would know a genuine Navy document from a jar of Peter Pan peanut butter! ROFLMAO


Clinotoon lied, Kerry lied, Blather lied and the whole world knows it!

NEXT CASE!


27 posted on 09/12/2004 10:26:26 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Checkers

I already emailed Les Moonves. I'm eagerly awaiting a reply.


28 posted on 09/12/2004 10:26:37 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand".)
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To: jnarcus
Big props to Hugh and all the others in the new media who are giving public voice to the truth!!!

BTW- If anyone does not have Hugh's book, "If It's Not Close They Can't Cheat", buy it immediately....it is an absolute must in any thinking person's library, and a crucial read before the election is upon us.
If you do have it, buy another copy and pass it along to someone "on the edge" who needs to have their eyes opened.
If you have read it, act on his action ideas, especially the one about supporting good conservative media resources with your subscription dollars. If we don't support them, they will vanish!

29 posted on 09/12/2004 10:28:10 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: Checkers
What Dan will be wearing when he finally gets the story right.

(Thanks to Michael Pollard)


30 posted on 09/12/2004 10:28:41 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Use in a well ventilated area)
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To: norraad
Depends (a joke in itself) on what kind of pajamas.

Does a silk wrap qualify?

31 posted on 09/12/2004 10:28:56 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand".)
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To: Checkers

It's Bush's fault.


32 posted on 09/12/2004 10:33:25 AM PDT by Give Piece A Chance
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To: Sisku Hanne
BTW- If anyone does not have Hugh's book, "If It's Not Close They Can't Cheat", buy it immediately....it is an absolute must in any thinking person's library, and a crucial read before the election is upon us.


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33 posted on 09/12/2004 10:34:27 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

ANd Teresa is an "opiniated" woman...."

Uh, urinated broad.""

Opiumloaded broad.


34 posted on 09/12/2004 10:37:56 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: HawaiianGecko


RAthERGATE

35 posted on 09/12/2004 10:39:04 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: HawaiianGecko

Shouldn't those pajamas have black and white stripes?


36 posted on 09/12/2004 10:39:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Sisku Hanne

This story has legs...


37 posted on 09/12/2004 10:40:16 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: RonDog
Thanks, RonDog!

And another thing....all you right-wingers who think Bush is not conservative enough: You need to read Hugh's chapter on majority and share it with other uber-conservatives who may be tempted to sit out this election.
The only way you have a prayer of getting your issues addressed is to help create a majority. Any other action/non-action is self-defeating at best; political suicide at worst.

38 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:31 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: Mercat
...but I don't have much experience with jury trials and none with criminal procedure...

You're My Cousin Vinnie, aren't you?

FMCDH(BITS)

39 posted on 09/12/2004 10:48:56 AM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: Craig Shelley
After seeing the PDF form of the memos, I noticed two items not in this list:

1) According to family members, Killian was a poor typist. Why aren't there typing errors in the documents, especially those that are "memos to file"?

2) I would expect some spelling errors in the documents. I didn't notice any. Why wouldn't there be some, especially again in the "memos to file"? It appears as though a spell checker was used on these documents.

"*Lt Col Killian didn't type;"

40 posted on 09/12/2004 10:51:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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