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Forgive the rant, please. Just venting.
1 posted on 09/11/2004 7:26:21 PM PDT by Pukin Dog
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To: Pukin Dog

What's "network news"?


138 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:55 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Pukin Dog

As a former journalist who had to go into politics because I was blackballed by liberal puke editors, I appreciated your RANT!

Also... tonight on Fox Media Watch, Jim Pinkerton pointed out that bloggers and conservative internet junkies use "MTM" as a derisive term. (By the way, I'm in my pajamas too!)


140 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:11 PM PDT by rabidbushie (John Kerry, John Edwards, and Michael Moore are HATEriots, not patriots.)
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To: Pukin Dog

woohoo Wish I'da said that!!!


141 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:21 PM PDT by ShugahPop
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You nailed it. I love the Free Republic because of the people who post here. I am amazed by the number of well-written and informed posts by people from all backgrounds and walks of life. This website is truly a town hall meeting that our Founding Fathers would endorse. And yes, the old media news organizations are going into the dustbin of history because of their dishonest agendas. I'd like to see the Dems and their party hacks in the old media explain honestly why being in the National Guard is more offensive than, say, some senators with notorious pasts like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd; why do the Dems support a New Jersey governor who hired a foreigner to a homeland security position when his only qualifications are X-rated; why they endorsed Bill Clinton over Bush senior and Bob Dole; why, if Kerry's Vietnam record made him a better leader than Bush does Kerry act like a wet noodle today; why they, the old media, are better judges of Bush as commander of chief than the soldiers in the military who are re-enlisting at a very high rate. There, I had my rant.


142 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:24 PM PDT by Elmer Gantry
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Not all of the MSM is in the tank. From ABC's the Note I think they are responding, not as fast as we would like, but take a look below. I still hope to see a breathless mob of reporters & cameramen banging on the door of CBS ala 60 minutes. Shoving microphones in peoples faces.

Journalists play Gil Grissom: the documents:

It's important to point out from the outset that not a single piece of hard evidence has been uncovered that categorically proves these documents were forgeries.

Still, ABC News consulted yesterday with more than a half dozen top forensic document experts, including William Flynn, considered one of the best in the world.

Flynn and another leading expert agreed on several points, namely that the proportional spaced Times Roman font does not appear to have been the result of available technology in 1972 and 1973. They questioned the superscripts, the spacing between lines (13 points separated each line, which, again, was not a technology that was available in typewriters back then.). Then there's the apostrophe, which is curled to the left in one of the documents — not something typewriters did with their apostrophes.

Richard Polt, a philosophy professor in Ohio and an amateur typewriter enthusiast, said he was 99 percent certain that no typewriter he knew of could have made the typed impressions that cleanly.

And two members of Killian's family (who certainly could have agendas of their own) told ABC News that they had suspicions.

Marjorie Connell, Killian's wife at the time, said she "just can't believe these are his words." Mrs. Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman." She used the words "appalling," "sick" and "angry" to describe her feelings about Killian's name was "being battled back and forth on television."

She made it clear that Lt Col Killian was a fan of Bush: "I know for a fact that this young man as a lt was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the guard and was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

She also mentioned her late husband was no typist. "He would not have typed because he did not type." When Killian did take notes his wife said he usually wrote on whatever scrap of paper was handy but "he was a person who did not take copious notes he carried everything in his mind." For more, see: LINK

Deb Orin and Ian Bishop of the New York Post key off of the radio interview with Mrs. Connell and a document expert to point to potential forgery. LINK

The New York Daily News reports forensic scientist Sandra Ramsey Lines says the superscript in the Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's notes are evidence of forgery. LINK

CBS News sent reporters a previously validated document last night that does appear to contain a superscripted "th," which confounds some experts we spoke with, including Katherine Koppenhaver, who said she is 75 percent certain even still that the new documents are forgeries.

The New York Times ' Seeyle and Rutenberg were careful to ask the political affiliation of their experts, which we think is a good idea. LINK

"Philip Bouffard, a forensic document specialist from Ohio who created a commonly used database of at least 3,000 old type fonts, said he had suspicions as well. 'I found nothing like this in any of my typewriter specimens,' said Dr. Bouffard, a Democrat. He also said the fonts were "certainly consistent with what I see in Times Roman," the commonly used Microsoft Word font. However, Dr. Bouffard said, a colleague had called his attention to similarities between the font in the memos and that of the IBM Selectric Composer of the early 1970's. But he said it would be unusual for Mr. Bush's commanding officer to have had the IBM machine because of its large size."

The Los Angeles Times talked to Killian's daughter: "Nancy Killian Rodriguez said only that her father, who died in 1984, had 'admired George Bush and was proud of the fact that he pinned his [flying] wings on him.'"

143 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:45 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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Great Rant!! And soooo true! I think the MSM's heads are still ringing at how fast they got slapped on the false "Boo's" story the AP filed.

The speed with which these forged memos came to light with such detailed analysis has them dazed and in panic at the same time.

I'm loving it...


144 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:58 PM PDT by ShuShu
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Decent read. Too long. bump anyway


145 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:04 PM PDT by mercy
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Home run!


147 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:30 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Pukin Dog

As a former journalist who had to go into politics because I was blackballed by liberal puke editors, I appreciated your RANT!

Also... tonight on Fox Media Watch, Jim Pinkerton pointed out that bloggers and conservative internet junkies use "MTM" as a derisive term. (By the way, I'm in my pajamas too!)


148 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:39 PM PDT by rabidbushie (John Kerry, John Edwards, and Michael Moore are HATEriots, not patriots.)
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To the liberal MSM:

Personally, I think I have THE best screen name at FR -- Need a New Press. I've waited 6 long years to see something like this happen to you. Your lies and liberal bias will no longer be tolerated by the masses. Your power to control public opinion is GONE. Over. Get used to it. It's only going to get worse for you.


And BTW, Dan Blather... Have I ever mentioned that I absolutely LOVE to see you squirm?


149 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:45 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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Great post, Pukin. Thank you for passionately speaking my mind. barset


150 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:55 PM PDT by Barset
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I feel the white hot heat of your rant. I've been there. Well done!!!!

Ding dong the witch is dead the wicked old media is dead.

Yeah!!!

Long live FR!!!


151 posted on 09/11/2004 7:59:38 PM PDT by listenhillary (We are defending the peace by taking the fight to the enemy.GWB)
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I'm in.

Great job. Thanks.

152 posted on 09/11/2004 7:59:56 PM PDT by onedoug
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153 posted on 09/11/2004 8:00:14 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Yes, there's still time to buy my book.)
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Gotta Love it....Freepers have PASSION.....for the truth and for life........God Bless W!!!!!!!!!!


154 posted on 09/11/2004 8:00:42 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: Pukin Dog

As a former journalist who had to go into politics because I was blackballed by liberal puke editors, I appreciated your RANT!

Also... tonight on Fox Media Watch, Jim Pinkerton pointed out that bloggers and conservative internet junkies use "MTM" as a derisive term. (By the way, I'm in my pajamas too!)


155 posted on 09/11/2004 8:00:56 PM PDT by rabidbushie (Kerry, Rather and CBS are toast. Next up, NBC and Kitty Kelley.)
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BRAVO !!!
They can't run and they can't hide !!!
Great post !


156 posted on 09/11/2004 8:01:08 PM PDT by Thinkin
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That's a beautiful rant and better than anything running on the op/ed page of 90% of mainstream papers tomorrow morning.

Bite it, Danny!


158 posted on 09/11/2004 8:01:13 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (What freakin' frequency are you on, Kenneth...NPR?)
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Hey, I was going to tell them the very same thing, except I was going to call them A-holes. LOL I for one never watch the alphabet channels anymore but maybe for a football game etc. Specifically not for any news. Internet and FOX is my home base now.
160 posted on 09/11/2004 8:01:31 PM PDT by fish hawk
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Fantastic. I should share the letters I got from Seth Borenstein, the Knight Ridder writer who passed on the bogus story about the "booing" in Milwaukee. The AP hasn't given me the courtesy of an answer yet -- and I'm not holding my breath. Neither has the original author returned my phone call.

The essence of Seth Borenstein's answer was that he made an "honest" mistake and corrected it later. To my righteous indignation (I was at the event standing about 10 feet in front of the President) he said that there is a difference in relying upon the word of a single person vs. relying on an old time news organization such as the AP. Barf!

And he made some cheap shots against some "internet group that likes to criticize the press." He went on to say that inclusion of the "booing" incident was just an attempt to balance his assertion that Kerry had announced Clinton's hospitalization and that the audience had applauded.

borenstein said he just picked up a "nugget" from the AP. In other words, he did not double check his source, which he should have. The very statement should have caused his antennae to go up; and he should have checked it further, but he relied on the AP. He was writing from Washington on the medical aspects of the story -- the "booing" part was non-essential and didn't even belong in the story, even if it had been true.


161 posted on 09/11/2004 8:01:42 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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