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1 posted on 09/11/2004 10:41:34 AM PDT by Coleus
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2 posted on 09/11/2004 10:44:51 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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3 posted on 09/11/2004 10:47:37 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Coleus

ALL that meeds to be said is:

1. Abortion is a SIN
2. Abortionists are murderers - Murder is a Mortal Sin
3. Promoting abortion is akin to aiding and abetting MURDER and is also a SIN.
4. SILENCE is NOT Golden - especially when silence is taken the same as agreement.

Now - let your concience be your guide - but remember the consequences - If you do not believe in the Church, you do not belong in the Church. PERIOD!


4 posted on 09/11/2004 10:50:01 AM PDT by steplock
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To: Coleus
I'm not a Catholic but when I heard about this, I thought it was just wrong. It's like he is appeasing the Democrat party to garner more votes for Kerry.

Abortion is murder, and it's a SIN. How he can ignore that is a mystery to me. I'm sure God would like to know too.

5 posted on 09/11/2004 11:11:57 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (Never frown, even when you are sad, because you never know who is falling in love with your smile.')
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To: Coleus

Thanks for the note. I just found out the local parish is organizing a Pax Christi group. A friend went to the meeting and discovered this group is promoting abortion. To make matters worse the new pastor is going to pay the $150 membership fee out of parish funds for any parishoner who wishes to join.


10 posted on 09/11/2004 11:39:52 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Coleus
It's high time for Catholics to stand up on their hind legs and say that for certain issues we will not be the least bit tolerant. Totally intolerant of politicians who say "I'm personally against but the law is the law" and then go off and do everything they can to vote pro-abortion.

To those that keep telling me that we have a loving God and that he'll cut slack for those confused pro-abort souls....I'd like to remind them of how God handled Saul who stood by and cheered on those stoning Stephen (our Church's first martyr). He knocked Saul off his horse/donkey/whatever and blinded him...asking in a not so gentle way...why are you doing this? Saul woke up and repented. From then on he was known as the apostle Paul. Read Paul's epistles....he's NEVER tolerant.

When it comes to abortion and euthanasia.....don't even think of being tolerant!!
11 posted on 09/11/2004 11:50:14 AM PDT by Russ7
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To: Coleus

The situation is worse than Catholics simply misunderstanding Church teaching. Many simply don't care.


14 posted on 09/11/2004 12:32:10 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Coleus
So if faced with two pro-abort candidates, you're permitted to hold your nose and cast a vote for one who's the less of the two evils?

That is my reading, anyway and being in California this isn't an uncommon situation.

This suggests California Catholics should've voted for McClintock, for example, not Arnold over Grey.

17 posted on 09/11/2004 5:32:52 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: Coleus

I can't believe this would even be a question.


18 posted on 09/11/2004 7:07:53 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Coleus

Here's a question...if the Pope came out and said abortion was ok, would you be for it?


19 posted on 09/11/2004 7:09:01 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Coleus

Who really cares what another fallible mortal said or didn't say.

Why not undersatnd God's nature, which does not change and use that as your guide?


27 posted on 09/12/2004 3:29:40 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Coleus

A vote for abortion will have to be explained at the pearly gates. And I don't think you're going to get a pass from Saint Peter.


28 posted on 09/12/2004 3:33:36 PM PDT by airborne (FreeRepublic.com, a bastion of right-wing lunacy)
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30 posted on 09/12/2004 4:06:24 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: Coleus

Here's what I do. In the Republican primary, I will always vote for the pro-life candidate.

If that candidate loses the primary, I will vote for the GOP candidate if the race is a legislative one, figuring that having a GOP majority in the legislative body will advance the pro-life cause, no matter what my representative says.

If the race, for example, is for governor, I will vote 3rd party or not vote at all for that position, figuring that an executive has a lot more power to hurt the pro-life cause than a legislator does. It's better to be the loyal opposition than to have your own representative stabbing you in the back.


34 posted on 09/13/2004 7:26:55 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the post. Unfortunately and more often than not, the media twists the news to advance their political agenda. I think there is a huge backlash going on right now, that will hopefully lead to stopping this propagandas practice. After all if no one buys (literally and figuratively) this junk, they'll stop making money, which is their ultimate goal. Al Gore had the nerve to compare the President's faith with religious fanatics/murderers. Major figures within the Democrat party these days have no idea about God and Faith, when they condone the murder of innocent children. Let's pray for them and the conversion of their hearts.
35 posted on 09/13/2004 7:37:53 AM PDT by Raquel (Liberals abide by a morality all their own)
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This Opinion explains Cardinal Ratzinger's Letter

A Voter's Guide: Pro-choice candidates and church teaching
Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, September 17, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT | Archbishop John J. Myers

The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong.


36 posted on 10/10/2004 7:00:43 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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