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Questions mount on Guard memos' authenticity (Wash. Times excerpt)
Washington Times ^ | 9-11-04 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 09/11/2004 7:14:14 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process

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I said it yesterday in this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1212699/posts

This certified expert has come to the same conclusion. It is a bit of a releif to know I am not imagining this difference!

1 posted on 09/11/2004 7:14:14 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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Plus, CBS will not discuss the real or alleged source of these documents. Imagine not even generally describing who had them and why? There are reports these documents were in the hands of the DNC and then the Kerry campaign for weeks. Cetainly rather knows that will destroy their credibility. Also makes Rather an incredible slime when he criticizes those who question the documents as "partisans." He knows the source of the docs themselves is Kerry.


2 posted on 09/11/2004 7:18:50 AM PDT by Williams
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Phil Dragoo has provided us with the incredible link below that will show us how the forgery was done on a computer with MS Word 2002.

Go to the link and just sit back and watch the forgery recreated in about one minute.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf


3 posted on 09/11/2004 7:22:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Williams
I would be happy just to know the source of the signatures Rather's expert used to "authenticate" the signature on the CBS memos. I would be willing to bet the authentication signatures came from the same source as the memos, though.
4 posted on 09/11/2004 7:27:19 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Grampa Dave

That is a great site. I wish I had the time in my life to learn how to make a page like that. Anyone who hasn't seen that page, it is the definition of a MUST SEE.


5 posted on 09/11/2004 7:30:55 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Grampa Dave

That's great! I put it in my favorites so I can haul it out later for my liberal friends. Thanks.


6 posted on 09/11/2004 7:30:55 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: Williams
I watched the known to be rather biased SeeBS news program last night on TV - The first time in years. I'm still steamed by DR's proclaimation that ~"we report AND decide", "the preponderance of the evidence", "if we find differently, we'll report it here".

UNBELIEVABLE, JF'n unbelievable.

7 posted on 09/11/2004 7:34:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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Use it with your emails and other communication.

I will use it in emails to the sponsors of that pos C BS ran posing as news. I will ask them if they like their good name sponsoring forgery.


8 posted on 09/11/2004 7:35:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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I don't see how they can authenticate a signature on a document that has been faxed or copied... it is easy to add anyones signature to a document then fax it or photocopy it. The people at CBS are retards...
9 posted on 09/11/2004 7:36:40 AM PDT by FesterUSMC
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Apparently the non expert looked at the copies of the signatures.

Now he is weaseling out. He is not a hand writing expert.


10 posted on 09/11/2004 7:37:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To me, the major question arising from this story is WHY a supposedly major news organization thinks it should go with a story that has so many problems.

The family told CBS they thought the memos were false. Knowing the influence they could have on the election, they went with them anyway. Very shoddy, and totally irreseponsible journalism.

Remember how they wouldn't cover the Monica story because it "didn't have enough sources?"

The internet is a land of rumors. Everything gets floated, and then get checked and doublechecked here. It's a great initial place to figure out life. But a company like CBS is supposed to know what it is doing.


11 posted on 09/11/2004 7:41:07 AM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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Actually, I think you should create a seperate post (unless it's already been done and I missed it) with this as the subject. It would get much wider exposure here.


12 posted on 09/11/2004 7:42:26 AM PDT by Arkie2
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http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41â„‘=60minbusted.swf

That web page showing a recreation of the memo which compares it to Rather's version was great!

I was a little concerned because the lower loop on the "g" in "flight" and in "George" is small on the Rather document and larger on the document created by MS word.

So I checked how a "g" would look in Palatino in MSWord on my Mac.

The g's lower loop is small, as it is in the Rather version.

The variation in the loop size is not a problem, I'd guess.

13 posted on 09/11/2004 7:42:40 AM PDT by syriacus (Kerry lied, while honorable men died. Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero before he was a traitor.)
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To: FesterUSMC
Shoot, I supplied a "signed" document by writing out my signature on a blank piece of paper, scanning and cropping the image, then inserting the image in the appropriate place in the Word doc. After I printed the doc, you could not tell I had not signed it.
14 posted on 09/11/2004 7:44:05 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: FesterUSMC

That is something else that bothers me. This is such a POOR forgery. They could easily have used a 1972 vintage typewriter (I have 2 in my house, probably millions more around), could easily have used standard military formants, and could easily have pasted in an authentic signature. Why didn't they? Why the sorry job of counterfeiting. Is it meant to distract us for a subsequent and more professionally done forgery? Was it a ploy to discredit CBS? Why?


15 posted on 09/11/2004 7:44:16 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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The main thesis, is that the forged documents would have been impossible to create with an old Air National Guard typewriter.


16 posted on 09/11/2004 7:45:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Grampa Dave; PhilDragoo

Grampa, I wanna hug your neck in thanks for posting that link to Phil's great work. We need to spread that link everywhere!!! I just emailed it to lots of my buds. Wonder if Phil has sent it to SeeBS yet himself?


17 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:09 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: Arkie2

I agree. Even if it made a duplicate post, no one should miss that site.


18 posted on 09/11/2004 7:54:15 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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The main thesis, is that the forged documents would have been impossible to create with an old Air National Guard typewriter.

I understand...I'm just trying to forestall Dem picky arguments.

19 posted on 09/11/2004 7:54:38 AM PDT by syriacus (Kerry lied, while honorable men died. Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero before he was a traitor.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Phil Dragoo has provided us with the incredible link below that will show us how the forgery was done on a computer with MS Word 2002.

Who is Phil Dragoo? It is an awesome animation, and I copied it for use in my post F U Dan Rather (The Smoking Gun). Hopefully he won't mind.

20 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:54 AM PDT by rocklobster11
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