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Questions mount on Guard memos' authenticity (Killian Signature Forgery?)
Washington Times ^ | 9/11/04 | Rowen Scarborough

Posted on 09/10/2004 9:41:43 PM PDT by kattracks

A handwriting expert says the two signatures on purported Texas National Guard memos aired by CBS News this week are not those of President Bush's squadron commander, as asserted by "60 Minutes."
    Until now, press scrutiny of the memos supposedly written by the late Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian focused on the finding that the documents were, in the opinion of experts, produced by computers not yet in use in the early 1970s.
    Eugene P. Hussey, a certified forensic document examiner in Washington state, said yesterday there is another flaw in the CBS memos. Mr. Hussey studied the known signatures of Col. Killian on Air Force documents, and two signatures on documents dated 1972 and 1973 that aired on "60 Minutes" Wednesday night.

"It is my limited opinion that Killian did not sign those documents," Mr. Hussey told The Washington Times. He said he uses the phrase "limited opinion" because he does not have the original documents. He, like other experts interviewed by the press, relied on copies of originals first obtained by CBS. The White House then distributed copies of the memos in what is said was the interest of full disclosure.

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The Times provided Mr. Hussey with copies of the CBS documents, which he dubbed Q-1-3, and records known to have been signed by Col. Killian, (K-1-3).
    "It is my opinion based on the examination of the Q-1 through Q-3 and K-1 through K-3, that Jerry B. Killian probably did not sign his name to Q-1 and his initial to Q-3," Mr. Hussey said in a signed letter to The Times. "As to the authenticity of the CBS documents, that is Q-1 through Q-3, [they] appear to be product of a computer, rather than a typewriter."


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; forgery; haox; killian; napalminthemorning; rathergate; rowenscarborough; tang
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To: MJY1288

To: abner
The in-depth article will post at Talon News on Monday morning. There is much more to this story. Mary Mapes is just the beginning.




545 posted on 09/10/2004 6:01:22 PM EDT by Jeff Gannon (Listen to my radio show "Jeff Gannon's Washington" on www.RIGHTALK.com)


Here's more from abner:

November 10, 1999

NEW YORK (CNN) -- To keep a producer from being thrown into jail, CBS News on Wednesday turned over the transcript of an interview that Dan Rather conducted with the third defendant being tried for murder in the dragging death of a black man.

The trial of Shawn Allen Berry, 24, got under way in Jasper, Texas, on Wednesday after a judge refused a defense request for a change of venue.

Two other men, white supremacists John William King and Lawrence Russell Brewer, already have been convicted and sentenced to die for chaining James Byrd Jr. by his ankles to a pickup truck and dragging him along a country road until his body was torn apart.

The interview with Berry was conducted by Rather two months ago. Portions were aired on "60 Minutes II" on September 28. CBS released the entire transcript Wednesday after an appeals court Tuesday refused to overturn two contempt citations against producer Mary Mapes.

Judge Joe Bob Golden, who is presiding at Berry's trial, ordered Mapes jailed twice for refusing to comply with prosecution subpoenas to provide a transcript and videotape of the interview.





To: Howlin
Mary Mapes is the one that contacted Gary Killian.
Have a look at this link about Mary Mapes....

Apparently, she has been involved in bashing Bush before.


436 posted on 09/10/2004 5:20:52 PM EDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)


101 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:23 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin

Wow, this Mary Mapes is a live wire


102 posted on 09/10/2004 11:52:26 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: Barlowmaker

Couldn't have put it better myself. But I'd add that his campaign from day one had no energy. The best day of Kerry's campaign among his faithful was naming Edwards as his VP -- many of them had been fawning over Edwards for over a year. Their convention didn't motivate -- and their rallies have fallen short.

Rule #1 is energize the base. 9/11 went miles for Bush among the silent majority. By failing to energize their own base, the dims have set themselves up for a calamity on Nov. 2. In turn this will probably have the undesirable effect of motivating the opposition for '08.


103 posted on 09/10/2004 11:55:26 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: MJY1288

I have a longstanding theory about chronically "underserviced" female MSM editors/producers I'll save for another day.


104 posted on 09/10/2004 11:57:56 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: kcvl

You are a veritable font 'cough' of memory jog.


105 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:47 PM PDT by My back yard (Post # 47 tags it)
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To: Howlin
Frederick's family tried to persuade the Army to discharge Frederick and take away his pension, arguing that his actions were the result of orders given by others. Frederick's uncle, Bill Lawson, a retired Air Force master sergeant, said in an interview last week that the family also sent letters for help to 17 members of Congress.

When the Army refused and the members of Congress replied with form letters, Lawson contacted retired Col. David Hackworth, a syndicated columnist, who helped the family get in touch with Mary Mapes, a producer for CBS's 60 Minutes II, which broke the story.

"We gave [the military] the opportunity to have none of this come out," Lawson said. "They could have avoided all of this."

106 posted on 09/11/2004 12:00:26 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: MJY1288

Then again, some of Bush Sr.'s CIA people must still be around. </sarcasm>


107 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:05 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: radicalamericannationalist

You're onto something there. Welcome to FR.


108 posted on 09/11/2004 12:03:15 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: kattracks
A complete dump, I am putting on Liberating Iraq blog

CBS, a dinosaur of the mainstream liberal media, tried to smear the President, and got caught:

There are even more issues, the list could go on - bad dates (a Saturday for one memo); wording and acronyms that are non-military; multiple typesetting issues, not just the "th", the kerning, the proportional fonts, or the TimesNewRoman - that and more features unavailable on standard typewriters of the day.

CBS Said: "the documents in the 60 Minutes report were thoroughly examined and their authenticity vouched for by independent experts." This is clearly not the case. They lied. They found witnesses to vouch for what they wanted, not for the truth.

Conclusion: CBS has no credibility. They fail to report honestly. They accept faked documents without vetting them properly. They are not a serious news organization, just Careless Bush Smear-artists.

109 posted on 09/11/2004 12:10:34 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Kryptonite

Have you ever seen the degradation of a profession like journalism this last two years?

It'd be funny if our enabling American institutions didn't rely on a vibrant "Fourth Estate".

The Fourth Estate has become the Fifth Column.

We beat that November 2.


110 posted on 09/11/2004 12:12:40 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: kcvl

On H & C tonight Killian's son identified by name the producer both he and his stepmother spoke to before CBS ran the barnes' story, and as I recall her first name was Mary.

She must be the most responsible and apparently most culpable person at CBS for the forgery release.

What I want to know is who did she receive the documents from? Or did she create them herself?

That's the way the sledgehammer comes down, link by link, to the person who claims he/she took them from Killian's *personal files*.


111 posted on 09/11/2004 12:14:10 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite

Mary Mapes


112 posted on 09/11/2004 12:16:14 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Barlowmaker
We beat that November 2.

I fervently hope that this election cycle is recorded historically as the victory of truth over falsies (pun intended).

113 posted on 09/11/2004 12:19:25 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: kcvl

Grossly overpaid Wildebeast I predict.


114 posted on 09/11/2004 12:21:23 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Kryptonite

Ben Barnes contributions to the DEMS

Total for this search: $338,250


http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=Barnes&txtState=TX&txtZip=78701&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&Order=N



115 posted on 09/11/2004 12:23:23 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Kryptonite

It will be so.

That's why the lefties are unraveling at a furious pace.


116 posted on 09/11/2004 12:23:53 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker

Contributions from individuals and organizations affiliated with EntreCorp to DASHPAC - Nonfederal Account

Contributor Location Date Amount Spent

BARNES, BEN AUSTIN, TX $10,000
BARNES, BEN AUSTIN, TX $10,000
BARNES, MELANIE AUSTIN, TX $10,000
ENTRECORP L P AUSTIN, TX $10,000
MARTIN, JACK L. AUSTIN, TX $10,000


117 posted on 09/11/2004 12:25:32 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

September 11, 2001
Barnes grounded by flight ban

Ben Barnes, an Austin businessman who is former lieutenant governor of Texas, was one of those grounded by today's flight ban from the Federal Aviation Administration.

"I was sitting in a plane on the runway this morning, on my way to Washington, when we were pulled back to the terminal," Barnes says.

Barnes says he was supposed to fly from Austin to Washington, D.C., to work on an airline merger and other matters.

Barnes is a principal at Entrecorp, a business consulting and lobbying firm based at 98 San Jacinto Blvd. in downtown Austin. His company is opening an office in Washington, D.C., on Pennsylvania Avenue -- about seven blocks from the White House. However, the debut of that office now is expected to be delayed.

Entrecorp represents American Airlines on regulatory matters in the nation's capital. Two American Airlines jets were hijacked this morning and crashed into the World Trade Center in New York.


118 posted on 09/11/2004 12:27:43 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Yes. But the Byrd story took a criminal prosecution for Mapes' source to be revealed.

Here, it will be passed off as politics and news reporting, perhaps questionable politics and reporting, but I'm afraid sources won't be revealed unless the FEC or FCC get involved. That's why it is incumbent upon elected republicans to demand the sources of these forgeries. The regulatory heads may not act unless demand requires action.


119 posted on 09/11/2004 12:28:29 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite

Ben Barnes
President & CEO, Entrecorp
Austin, TX

Kerry Vice Chair $466,250


120 posted on 09/11/2004 12:31:17 AM PDT by kcvl
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