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Posted on 09/10/2004 8:26:03 PM PDT by tort_feasor

Need to check this guy out. I will be posting the articles I find about him as I read them. here's the first.

http://www.aspghandwriting.org/Matley.htm

Marcel Matley Marcel Matley studied handwriting analysis with Rose Toomey and was certified by the Paul de Ste. Colombe Center. In 1985 he became a full time professional document examiner and has other interests in medical and psychological research, paleography, education, Western formal penmanship and Oriental calligraphy. He is the author of several published monographs and articles, taught private classes and seminars, and presented at conferences. The American Handwriting Analysts Foundation’s library, as well as a collection of more than 4,000 forensics and handwriting articles, is located in his home in San Francisco where it is available for reference by appointment.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fake; handwriting; killian; marcelmatley; rather; ratherbiased
Hope this is helpful. See trained as handwriting expert not typing.
1 posted on 09/10/2004 8:26:05 PM PDT by tort_feasor
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To: tort_feasor

http://www.justiceforkurt.com/coverage/television/unsolved_mysteries.shtml

Unsolved Mysteries asked handwriting expert Marcel Matley to compare a copy of Cobain’s alleged suicide note with copies of two pages of lyrics, hand written by Cobain. Matley believes the bulk of the note was written by Cobain, but finds the last four lines questionable.

Marcel Matley – Handwriting Expert
As to the last four lines, there are more than a dozen differences that should give us pause, and we would have to reasonable explain these differences before we can conclude that the same person wrote the four lines that wrote the body of it.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 8:28:05 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: tort_feasor

http://www.handwritingfoundation.org/library.htm

AHAF's library contains hundreds of books and monographs covering most aspects of the handwriting sciences.

For more information or to borrow some materials, contact our librarian Marcel Matley at MMatley@aol.com


3 posted on 09/10/2004 8:29:05 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: tort_feasor

http://www.thedocumentexperts.com/


This page is currently under construction.


Thank you for visiting our Internet site. At present, our web site is still under construction.


In the meantime, here's how you can reach us:


Phone: 415-824-0118


Fax: 415-753-3346


E-mail: marcel@thedocumentexperts.com


Mailing address: The Document Experts, P.O. Box 882401, San Francisco, CA 94188, USA.


Sincerely,


Marcel Matley


4 posted on 09/10/2004 8:31:14 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: tort_feasor
Marcel Matley was also the guy that "validated" the Vince Foster "suicide note". Thus there is a direct connection to the Clintons.

Note as well in his bio that he has no law enforcement or criminal investigation experience.

5 posted on 09/10/2004 8:35:29 PM PDT by ikka
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To: tort_feasor

http://fennel.assumption.edu/~guest/view/1996/View0396.htm

"Then the program turned to Marcel Matley, identified as a "handwriting examiner" with no further credentials given, who offered his opinion that the "suicide" note is genuine. Matley believes that the "deteriorated copy" of the note.... that is, it's been copied over too many times.... and the "stress" Foster was presumably under account for the differences in handwriting. He then went on to show how Foster used different styles of letters in the genuine samples, such as both cursive and block letter "s", for example, and how the same multiple styles appear in the note; and from this he concluded that the same person wrote both the note and the samples known to be genuine.

One problem with Matley's statements is that it is impossible to determine to what extent the copy of the "suicide" note used by the experts has deteriorated from the original.... because the government has yet to release any official copy of the original, much less a high-resolution one. I just don't see how Matley can point out examples of "deterioration" in copies of the note without having seen the original note.

Matley is exactly right in pointing out the multiple letter styles used by Foster; I can vouch for these, as I have picked off images of the documents from the Internet, printed them out and examined them, and I am familiar with them. But for me, these variations are an argument in favor of the forgery; for if the letters in the note were painstakingly copied as the other experts suggest, one would expect the forger to also copy the letter variations in an effort to lend an air of authenticity to the forged note. Matley did not refute any of the major points made by the other experts, notably the number of strokes making up the letters, and the "hesitation dots", in the note.

I suspect Matley was put on the show so its producers would not be accused of being biased on a highly-charged political issue, and so they wouldn't wind up on the Clintons' sh*t list. At any rate, it shouldn't take too long for those intrepid Internet sleuths who follow every twist and turn of the Foster story to ferret out Matley's credentials and to find out how much he was paid to appear on the program."


6 posted on 09/10/2004 8:37:53 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: ikka

Thanks I found that. The post above under construction is his homepage. If you go Qualifications is under construction also.


7 posted on 09/10/2004 8:40:06 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: tort_feasor

Just offhand and just curiosity....did that bio say this guy does or does not have a degree?

A degree is not the end all and be all, but I'm just curious.


8 posted on 09/10/2004 8:44:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: tort_feasor

Isn't he in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?


9 posted on 09/10/2004 8:46:33 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: tort_feasor

Here is the Resume.

http://nick.assumption.edu/WebVAX/Foster/matley.html

Handwriting Services of California




CURRICULUM VITAE AND GENERAL RESUME
MARCEL B. MATLEY
DOCUMENT EXAMINER AND HANDWRITING EXPERT
BORN: Phoenix, AZ, September 21, 1933
SERVICES OFFERED:


Handwriting authentication and signature verification.
Identification of the maker of handwritten numerals
Genuineness of logs, diaries, and other writings in series.
Serve as either confidential consultant or testifying expert.
Oral or written opinion, which can be a full, illustrated, written report to facilitate settlement or in the form of a declaration under oath.
Question formulation to examine opponent's document examiner; also pertinent citations for cross-examination from learned treatises.
Identification of the writer of poison pen letters and anonymous writings.
Other aspects of questioned document examination.
Impeachment of erroneous, incomplete or incompetent expert handwriting opinion.
CREDENTIALS:


Certification with commendation, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, January 28, 1981
Awarded Charter Membership Certificate for professional excellence, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, April 8, 1982.
Consultant and mentor to other document examiners.
Honorary membership, National Questioned Document Association, March 1992.
Consulted by Texas Education Agency, Proprietary Schools Div. and other agencies.
San Francisco Tax Registration Certificate. Expiration date: 12-31-95
Activity Approval, Committee on Minimum Continuing Legal Education, The State Bar of California, March 27, 1995
EXPERT WITNESS:


Accepted in Federal Bankruptcy Court and Superior, Municipal Courts, and Administrative Law Courts of California.
Testimony in arbitration hearings and in depositions.
Complete listing of testimonies available upon request.
CLASSES AND LECTURES:


Private classes have been offered since 1981.
Lecture series titles SEMINARS AND WORKSHOPS IN HANDWRITING SCIENCES, for professionals and advanced students.
Organizer, co-producer and instructor at three annual SEMINARS IN DOCUMENT EXAMINATION, in San Francisco. Attendees came from across U.S. and Canada.
Presenter at NADE Conferences and Pre-conferences: 1992: HUMAN GRAPHIC MOTOR SEQUENCE. 1993, two-day intensive course: THE PHYSIOLOGY AND FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION OF HANDWRITING. 1994: ANSWERING CHALLENGES OF VOIR DIRE.
Presenter of Workshop, QUALIFICATIONS IMPEACHMENT, ABFE 1993 Conference.
1995 IGS-AFDE Joint Conference: A PROTOCOL FOR RESEARCH IN DISGUISED HANDWRITING AS ILLUSTRATED BY SLANT.
1995 AHAF Symposium: THE PHYSIOLOGY OF HANDWRITING, A HALF-DAY WORKSHOP.
LISTINGS:


FORENSIC REGISTER OF EXPERT CONSULTANTS, Bar Association of San Francisco.
Directories: INTERNATIONAL DIRECTORY OF HANDWRITING ANALYSTS; WHO'S WHO IN GRAPHOLOGY; and HANDWRITING ANALYSIS REGISTRY.
PUBLICATIONS:


STUDIES IN QUESTIONED DOCUMENTS. 1. "Photocopies in Document Examination." 2. "Exorcism of Ignorance; a Reply from a Holographic Expert." 3. "Logged Entries: Made Separately or Sequentially?" 4. "Exemplars for (XXX)." 5. "Health and Handwriting, an Annotated Bibliography." 6. "The Employing and Examining of the Expert." 7. "Reliability Testing of Expert Handwriting Opinions." 8. "Signature Disguise by Change of Slant."
FORGERY: DETECTION AND DEFENSE: A GUIDEBOOK FOR THE LEGAL PROFESSIONAL, 1988.
QDE INDEX: PERIODICAL ARTICLES IN ENGLISH ON DOCUMENT EXAMINATION, HANDWRITING EXPERTISE AND EXPERT TESTIMONY.
Also published in: AHAF JOURNAL; JOURNAL OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DOCUMENT EXAMINERS; COMMUNIQUE, THE DOCUMENT EXAMINER'S NEWSLETTER; CALIFORNIA PARALEGAL MAGAZINE; AT ISSUE (San Francisco Association of Legal Assistants); WRITE EXTENSION; AHAA DIALOGUE: JOURNAL OF FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION; NATIONAL PARALEGAL MAGAZINE (Scheduled); VANGUARD; THE NATIONAL DOCUMENT EXAMINER; SAN FRANCISCO ATTORNEY; SCIENTIFIC SLEUTHING REVIEW.
Other writings in the field, published and unpublished. The published books and monographs have been marketed to professionals nationally and internationally.
Published works in other fields.
EDUCATION:


Saint Francis College, El Cajon, CA 1952-54. Liberal arts, Science.
Immaculate Heart Seminary, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 1954-60. Courses included Philosophy, Logic, Rational Psychology, History, Rhetoric.
Immaculate Heart College, Los Angeles, CA. MALS, June 1963
San Diego State College, San Diego, CA, 1962-63. l Graduate studies, Political Science.
1979-80 Privately instructed by Rose Toomey, author of HEALTH CLUES IN HANDWRITING.
Seminar on the handwriting of criminals, conducted by Ted Widmer of San Francisco.
1991 and 1992 National Conference of NADE, and other seminars and conferences.
On-going research in the legal, forensic and academic literature.
Primary research in methods of disguise, writing with the opposite hand, and others.
SPECIAL RESOURCES:


Personal collection of more than 1500 books, monographs and papers in handwriting science and document examination, along with current subscriptions..
Developed a computerized data base of approximately 4500 articles in forensic and legal periodicals. This is an on-going research project, covering 1870s to date.
Memberships in NADE and AHAF bring access to extensive lending libraries of professional literature.
Microphotography and optical filters.
Optics such as stereoscopic microscope and other tools for close, accurate observation and measurement of questioned handwriting documents.
Specialized equipment such as Kinderprint Indentation Materializer.
Association with professionals having specialized skill and equipment so that unique or unusual requests can be referred to highly qualified colleagues.
MEMBERSHIPS:


National Association of Document Examiners (NADE). Chairman of 1993 Conference in San Francisco. Committee memberships: Editorial committee for the Association's Journal.
American Handwriting Analysis Foundation (AHAF), an international organization based in San Jose, CA. Foundation Librarian and member of the Board.
Borrowing member of American Association of Handwriting Analysis Research Library, Downers Grove, IL.
International Graphonomics Society, Society for the Science and Technology of Handwriting, headquartered at University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
Vidocq Society, Philadelphia, PA.
The American Society for Testing and Material. Committee E30 of Forensic Sciences.
Participant, Crime Laboratory Proficiency Testing program of the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors, Inc.
REFERENCES:

Professional references will be made available upon request.

(09-06-95)


10 posted on 09/10/2004 8:46:58 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: tort_feasor

I just did a Google Search on Matley.

I found a list of handwriting books at

http://www.handwriting.org/main/hwabooks.html

This site gives Matley zero stars for his book and notes that it was "self-published."

I have no idea whether this rating is deserved, but I am suspicious of an "expert" who has to publish his own book.


11 posted on 09/10/2004 8:48:13 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ikka
Marcel Matley was also the guy that "validated" the Vince Foster "suicide note". Thus there is a direct connection to the Clintons. Note as well in his bio that he has no law enforcement or criminal investigation experience.

Now we know why Kerry and Clinton had several LONG visits this last week. !!! Things are not going well in the Kerry camp!!!

12 posted on 09/10/2004 8:48:31 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: xzins

I just found his resume. Take a look at it. He may be qualified to talk about handwriting but his resume is not particularly great for discussing Fonts from the 1970's.


13 posted on 09/10/2004 8:48:50 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: tort_feasor

Posted by rolling_stone to jhouston
On News/Activism 09/10/2004 8:12:08 PM PDT · 18 of 71

Matley, who told Rather last night that he knew the Bush documents would be professional "dynamite" for him, has been involved in several high-profile cases, including a 1997 controversy over purported John F. Kennedy documents. After "60 Minutes" cast doubt on the documents, the man who unearthed them, Lawrence Cusack III, retained Matley in a suit against CBS that was rejected in court. Matley could not vouch for the documents' authenticity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212825/posts


Interesting how Matley was a witness against CBS before but could not authenticate docs that time......


14 posted on 09/10/2004 8:49:35 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: tort_feasor

http://www.tcps.state.tx.us/testing/instructors/pi_instructors.aspx

Active Private Investigator Continuing Education Instructors
Updated 8/31/04

Marcel B. Matley
3092 Army Street
San Francisco, CA 94110 (415) 753-2832
I-274 11/26/1997


15 posted on 09/10/2004 8:53:23 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: rolling_stone

Someone should run this guy's name in Lexis or WestLaw. If he's a legit questioned doc examiner, he'll show up in cases. If not, he's simply a hack. My bet is hack.


16 posted on 09/10/2004 9:03:39 PM PDT by eagle3
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To: eagle3

""Lets start with Matley ... the "Expert" brought in by CBS ... OK, he's a handwritimg expert. His credentials in that discipline are eminently satisfactory.""

I don't know about eminently?

Google his resume in the Vince Foster matter and find,
http://nick.assumption.edu/WebVAX/Foster/matley.html
which lists his
CREDENTIALS:

Certification with commendation, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, January 28, 1981
Awarded Charter Membership Certificate for professional excellence, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, April 8, 1982.

And he lists in his education:
1979-80 Privately instructed by Rose Toomey, author of HEALTH CLUES IN HANDWRITING.

Rose Toomey and the Sainte Colombe Center are famous for Graphology.
http://www.graphologyafgs.com/afgs-bg.htm

Graphology is the study of handwriting, especially when employed as a means of analyzing character. Real handwriting experts are known as forensic document examiners, not as graphologists.

Graphologists believe such details can reveal as much about a person as astrology , palm reading......
http://skepdic.com/graphol.html

Matley can analyze character based on handwriting so is Matley the one who reported that Killian really felt this way about 1Lt Bush. And then further verified by John Edward, the TV guy, not the lawyer.

Matley can also play lawyer if needed. See Expert Ambush.
http://expertpages.com/news/expert_ambush.htm

eminently interesting


17 posted on 09/10/2004 9:20:59 PM PDT by 11x62
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To: 11x62

Matley can also play lawyer if needed. See Expert Ambush.
http://expertpages.com/news/expert_ambush.htm

eminently interesting



Yes he plays a poor lawyer....giving an example where one is ambushed with an expert witness like you didn't expect it..unfortunately expert witnesses & their C.V. are traded between defense and plaintiff long ahead of trial at least in California..IMO this guy is a hack....


I would like to read some of his publications, especialy one about photocopies....LOL...


18 posted on 09/11/2004 1:07:04 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: tort_feasor

http://www.smichaelchurch.com/history/

Well now we know what he did when he left seminary school...for a year and a half...did he leave suddenly?


19 posted on 09/11/2004 1:20:07 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: tort_feasor
He may be qualified to talk about handwriting ...

In the same sense that an astrologer is qualified to talk about astrophysics! (Poincare knows)

20 posted on 09/11/2004 9:35:24 AM PDT by Poincare
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