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The Evidence Against Rather
free republic ^ | 11 Sep 04 | self

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:18:39 PM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: SkyPilot
IMO, proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Forgery, period.

Now what? How can we get CBS to fess up?

21 posted on 09/10/2004 7:35:50 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: SkyPilot

Absent the original documents it would be impossible to say with any certainty that they were typed, not simply printed. A typewriter would, of course, leave an impression in the paper, unlike a printer.

As to the copying, I've posted previously, give me 15 minutes with some of my readily available graphics software and I'll produce a document that looks as old as your request, and would include a standard type font, not this obviously bogus nonsense See BS is pawning off on the American public.


22 posted on 09/10/2004 7:36:02 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote for Osama")
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To: SkyPilot

CBS: Not Sinking!

Capt. Rather On Bridge!

'Rats Deserting Ship!

23 posted on 09/10/2004 7:36:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Chummy

I dunno and it's not my information, I got it from Southack. I posted to him and sent him a PM but haven't heard back yet.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210702/posts?page=253#253


24 posted on 09/10/2004 7:37:07 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: B Knotts

Add the charge of being a jagoff to Nixon in the press conference ten million years ago. I have never forgotten.


25 posted on 09/10/2004 7:37:28 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Woof if you love America!)
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To: SkyPilot
Something just occurred to me. Army regulations today require the use of Ariel fonts. I'll bet that the Air Force Procurement Office had a detail specification for type writers purchased around that time and may have specified the font that was acceptable.

I'd also bet that no authenticated AF document can be found from that time period that contains the Times-Roman font.

26 posted on 09/10/2004 7:39:20 PM PDT by FireTrack
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To: SkyPilot
CBS is toast!
Kerry is French toast!

   Contract B Qty Bid Ask A Qty Last Vol Chge
Click to trade PRESIDENT.GWBUSH2004 50 62.1 62.6 35 62.0 485.3k +0.3
Click to trade PRESIDENT.KERRY2004 38 38.0 38.0 867 38.5 4090 -0.9



27 posted on 09/10/2004 7:39:29 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: SkyPilot
from Transcript of Rather on CBS link
Aren't we all only looking at the pdf documents that CBS put on their website.

Now...
If Mately told CBS that their memos are "not reliable representations of the memos" because they are not the original and hence can't be authenticated, why did they unprofessionally go ahead with the Memo piece without getting a copy of the originals to authenticate.
28 posted on 09/10/2004 7:40:26 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: SkyPilot

Perhaps the whole list needs to start with:

0. The "documents" in question can be trivially recreated,
with high precision, by using Microsoft Word, under default
settings of the program. This places the documents in the
late 1980s if not more recent.

Occam's Razor (the simplest explanation is the most
likely), suggests that this becomes the leading candidate
explanation for the source of these documents, and covers
all of the objections following.

Historical explanations require answering all of the
following.


29 posted on 09/10/2004 7:41:43 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Boundless
I have commanded men and women. Any commander does NOT keep personal files of reprimand beyond the time required by the UCMJ and DoD regulations. To do so is a violation of those orders. In fact, if you as a Commander give someone a Letter of Reprimand (LOR) or Letter or Counseling (LOR) - you can only legally retain it for a very limited period of time. This lends a HUGE United Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) against this charge. An officer of any caliber would not keep a nonjudicial punishment of a subordinate on file indefinitely. To do so is against the law. Even personnel records (MPF) is required to shred them after 2 years of administration of justice unless it is an Article 32 hearing.

The Colonel's wife has said that her husband was not a typist (hint: he could not type). Well--perhaps his Secretary did the typing.

Yup-maybe Terry McAlliffe did the typing.

This is the worst case of media bias in history.


30 posted on 09/10/2004 7:42:00 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: CobaltBlue

We all need to get off this typeface issue. There are dozens of other problems with these memos. By focusing on one issue only, and the WRONG one at that, we make it easier to debunk the truth - which is that the memos are fabrications.


31 posted on 09/10/2004 7:42:02 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: SkyPilot

Bump


32 posted on 09/10/2004 7:42:10 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: SkyPilot

Number 5 is a problem. I just sent a copy of Courier 10 pt to Howlin that has a closed 4, but it also has a foot at the bottom.


33 posted on 09/10/2004 7:42:46 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: SkyPilot

Good stuff. Time to spread this across the internet :D


34 posted on 09/10/2004 7:43:18 PM PDT by Tempest (Don't blame me, I'm voting for Bush.)
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To: SkyPilot

Thanks for the handy download and print-out. I think I may use it as gift wrap for hardened lefties...


35 posted on 09/10/2004 7:43:47 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (What freakin' frequency are you on, Kenneth?)
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To: litany_of_lies

I have a question regarding the MEMORANDUM for the order to Bush to report for a physical. If this is an order to Lt Bush, why isn't it in "official military records"? You wouldn't type an order to someone and then keep it in your "personal files." Don't you think this would be in Lt Bush's files somewhere? I spent 22 1/2 years in the Air Force, and I don't ever remember seeing anyone get an order in the form of a MEMORANDUM.


36 posted on 09/10/2004 7:44:46 PM PDT by txbill
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To: Boundless

Re: kerning. It is true that Word has a special kerning function, which typically would be used for extremely large font sizes.

I believe - am not an expert but did my own test on this - that it DOES kern automatically somewhat.

Try this experiment. Using Word Times New Roman at the largest font size available - mine is 72 point - center justify and type the word "moon" (no quotation marks), hit enter, and then type "mono" (no quotation marks). If the program doesn't adjust the spacing, the words should be the same length. They're not.

Moon is a tiny bit longer than mono. (It doesn't matter whether you capitalize the first "m" or not, but do it the same way both times.)

Hugh Hewitt's guest expert, Robert "Corky" Cartwright, Professor of Computer Science at Rice, explains why.
http://www.hughhewitt.com/#postid876

Admittedly, you can adjust the spacing between the letters even more if you use the "kerning" function.


37 posted on 09/10/2004 7:46:28 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: igoramus987

On #7, if actually an n-th generation copy, why?
If supposedly from "Killian's personal files", why
would it not be a 1st-gen scan of the original, or
of a first-gen copy?

> If Mately told CBS that their memos are "not reliable
> representations of the memos" because they are not the
> original and hence can't be authenticated, why did they
> unprofessionally go ahead with the Memo piece without
> getting a copy of the originals to authenticate.

Specifically, why are the supposed re-creations given a
"distressed"/"copied" look.

The point of re-creating marginal documents is to
improve the appearance, and in any case, when done,
needs to be identified as re-creations. These are
forgeries.

Or is CBS going to tell us they are forgeries of forgeries?


38 posted on 09/10/2004 7:46:47 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: SkyPilot

Someone needs to add, no typos from a guy who was known as a non-typist.


39 posted on 09/10/2004 7:46:50 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: All

There is at least one organization that has all the manuals, equipment and other information at their fingertips to answer all relevant questions:

THE FBI

I would assume they are on the case along with experts in the military.


40 posted on 09/10/2004 7:47:51 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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