Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written

Dallas Morning News ^ | 9-10-04

[TOUGH STOUGH]

I agree with you. The fact that they haven't denied it nags at me too.

[EdReform]

BTTT

[Ann Archy]

Hey Staudt....the staffer at CBS said you were "the bullying type"....are you??? If not, you better stand up to CBS!!

[Ann Archy]

Howlin posted a link to the DNC that asked abut these very questions about Bush's Nat'l Guard service and VOILA! all the questions were "answered" in this forgery!!

[DallasMike]

Here's an e-mail that I wrote to Pete Slover at the Dallas Morning News on Thursday evening. It looks like he took my suggestion.

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Dear Mr. Slover,

It now appears that these documents have been faked. If you want to win a Pulitzer, find out who gave these phony documents to CBS.

Best regards,

-Mike

- Michael XXXXXXX

  XXXXXXXXXXXX

  Garland, Texas 75044-2002

  972-496-XXXX

  XXX@comcast.net

[chudogg]

The left has always been saying that Staudt was the guy that gave Bush preferential treatment. Thats a green light that they are fake.

Kind of like when some media outlet got a report from the Iraqi Governing Council that tied Iraq to Both Niger Uranium and Mohammed Atta. Too good to be true.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[tuesday afternoon]

bump

[Mitchell]

Earlier this year, though, Kerry aides raised the exact points the memo seemed to address.

Which aides?

[battlegearboat]

The kool ones.

[Khan Noonian Singh]

<< I suppose if one wanted to do research, a way would be to see when the "Bush failed an order to take a physical" meme popped up first. That angle, about an "order" to do it, seems unique to the CBS memos. >>

The earliest reference to this meme I have found is from 30 June 2004, http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=nuo6e01usbas8kiedqt2oo1ck38gmfh6hr%404ax.com.

It quotes from a web page. Here is an excerpt:

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... Regardless of what actions ARPC contemplated when reviewing Bush’s
records, all options required that Bush be certified as physically fit
to serve, or as unfit to serve.   

ARPC thus had to order Bush to get a physical examination, for which
Bush did not show up.  

ARPC then designated Bush as AWOL and a "non-locatee" (i.e. a
deserter) who had failed to satisfactorily participate in TXANG, and
certified him for immediate induction through his local draft board....

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The web page this is from is http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm, but this newsgroup post nicely dates it at least to 30 June 2004 & may-be earlier.

[Cboldt]

That discussion is "looking for" the order. It does not say that an order existed.

Others have pointed out that most of the holes in the "Bush was AWOL" story were conveniently filled in by the CBS forgeries. Every person that studied the issue knew which holes needed to be filled.

[Khan Noonian Singh]

Here's an earlier one. From 30 December 2003, http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=lEmIb.189045%24PD3.5896144%40nnrp1.uunet.ca:

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In the fall of 1973, as an automatic disciplinary action, Bush was
reassigned to the Obligated Reserve Section in Denver, because he disobeyed
orders to show up for a mandatory flight physical and therefore was unable
to fulfill the last two years of his six-year obligation as an Air National
Guard jet fighter pilot.

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[Khan Noonian Singh]

There are people then who were stating as fact that Bush was ordered to take a physical and refused. I do not know what they thought their documentation was.

Who was the first person to say this as if it were a truthhood? IOW, Shermy's question - from where did the idea come?

[Cboldt]

That is also a conclusory statement, very similar to statements made by various accusers over the past years. Again, no reference to having the oorder in hand, just that he "disobeyed orders to show up for a mandatory flight physical." As others have pointed out, annual physicals were mandatory. Were written orders prepared for mandatory actions? Do service people get written orders to get a haircut?

Anyway, the statement "he disobeyed orders to show up for a mandatory flight physical" is most likely, in this case, sloppy expression. If there was a writen dated order (e.g., the 4 May 1973 letter), the discussion would have referred to the memo, at least generall. "He disobeyed a written order to show up ... "

[Cboldt]

Who was the first person to say this as if it were a truthhood? IOW, Shermy's question - from where did the idea come?

The idea comes from a document that says Bush was disqualified from flight, in part for not showing up for a physical. These facts were contained in documents "released by Bush." It was wishful thinking that there was a direct written order that Bush ignored.

http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/grounded.gif <-- See #6.

[PhiKapMom]

That is weird -- Bush wasn't transferred to Denver -- his pay records were in Denver and my guess is that they went from the section that did the flight pay to the section that had the pilots on desk duty. Whoever is doing this knows little about the military. In that time period, all AF military pay records were in Denver.

He did not have to fly to fulfill his obligation. The Dems/CBS forget that he was on active duty for two full years and if you had all the points he received, he would have had 15 or 16 years. That seems conveniently lost in all of this. Pilot training and all that goes with it to fly fighters is not a piece of cake.

[ZOTnot]

DARN! I was SO proud of it. I will defer to you. I'll change mine (but, if you defer, let me know: I want it BACK!) And to think, I was so original.....

[Mamzelle]

re: But the White House, which contends that all known records of Bush's service have been released, also took the unusual step of distributing the CBS memos to reporters the night of the broadcast. )))

--snicker--

[Mitchell]

The kool ones.

LOL. Or is it kewl? I'm not 3liT3 enough to answer this one.