Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bush's "Ownership Society" Already Doomed by his Trade Policies
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Friday, September 10, 2004 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 09/10/2004 2:36:36 PM PDT by Willie Green

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 161-175 next last
To: A. Pole
What "we"? Are you talking about American workers who are to lower their wage expectations and standard of living to match the Third World levels?

Only those lacking creativity think that competition with the Third World equates to lower wages for American workers.

Competition creates innovations that protect worker salaries and lower product costs at the same time.

21 posted on 09/10/2004 6:39:31 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ARCADIA
It takes stable and long product life cycles to garner the necessary investment in time and capital.

Good point. Japanese know it, Chinese know it, Europeans know it. USA is following example of Latin America.

22 posted on 09/10/2004 6:40:35 PM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RFT1
Sooner or later, as long as these trends persist, the rank and file in the US will vote in polictians that will vow to protect them, and not only this means trad barriers, but a social democracy cradle to grave programs such as socialised health care. Like it or not, the period between 45 and the 70s is what Americans will allways compare their financial situation to.

Sounds like the same refrain we heard from those lamenting the loss of the "family farm". We changed from an agricultural society to an industrial society. We can transform from an industrial society to whatever is next without a left turn.

23 posted on 09/10/2004 6:42:39 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi
Competition creates innovations that protect worker salaries and lower product costs at the same time.

I do not get it, how the innovations can protect higher salaries in the global economy? Please explain.

24 posted on 09/10/2004 6:42:53 PM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi
We can transform from an industrial society to whatever is next without a left turn.

Whatever is next? Socialism?

25 posted on 09/10/2004 6:43:48 PM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: ARCADIA
It takes stable and long product life cycles to garner the necessary investment in time and capital.

Sorry, but the auto industry is a prime example. Product life cycles are down to 3-4 years, profits are high and wages are peaked.

26 posted on 09/10/2004 6:44:34 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

I think it's clear that not only is Kerry dangerous as C-in-C--but he's also an imitation of GWB on the question of American industrial/trade policy.

Given that, the choice is clear.


27 posted on 09/10/2004 6:45:58 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: A. Pole; Erik Latranyi

Frankly, the only "we" he could be referring to is everyone here...

Eroding the income of workers in the US will serve to erode the income of everyone ELSE in the US--their doctors, dentists, butchers, clothiers, on and on...

Only Gummint workers and utility employees will be able to demand and get (at least temporarily) wage stability or inflation.

But that won't last forever, either.

So do not ask for whom the bell tolls.../It tolls for Thee.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 6:49:32 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: A. Pole
I do not get it, how the innovations can protect higher salaries in the global economy? Please explain.

Let's look at the auto industry. Through innovations like computer design, automated manufacturing processes, plastics, etc the US auto industry is strong. Consumers have more choices in vehicles, profits are high, life-cycles are short and quality is at its best.

If we would have listened to the protectionists in the 1980s, our car companies would have been protected, stagnant and dead meat when finally exposed to Japanese competition.

29 posted on 09/10/2004 6:50:35 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi

You did not answer my question.


30 posted on 09/10/2004 6:52:18 PM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi

In the 60s, product life cycles were 3-4 years, profits were high and so were wages.


31 posted on 09/10/2004 6:52:24 PM PDT by RFT1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi

Instead of low-cost workers, why can't we have low-cost executives?


32 posted on 09/10/2004 6:52:43 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Havoc


And if this trend persists, prepare for a landslide victory for Hillary, or worse, in 08.


33 posted on 09/10/2004 6:55:44 PM PDT by RFT1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: A. Pole

In short: NAFTA


34 posted on 09/10/2004 6:59:18 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Jihad - coming to a school near you - 54 days until November 2nd - 9/11 is this Saturday.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: A. Pole
You did not answer my question

You asked how innovation protects salaries in a global economy. The auto industry wages are higher than ever, yet they compete with extremely low-wage nations every day.

35 posted on 09/10/2004 7:02:29 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: RFT1
In the 60s, product life cycles were 3-4 years...

No. Product life cycles in the auto industry in the 1960s averaged 7-10 years. A new car took 5+ years to design and bring to market. Today, it takes 3 years to bring a new car design to market.

36 posted on 09/10/2004 7:04:33 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Clintonfatigued
Instead of low-cost workers, why can't we have low-cost executives?

Actually, we do. Executives today are getting much lower salaries than in the past. They are getting bonuses for performance (that workers resist for themselves) and executives end up with total compensation packages that are all all-time highs.

37 posted on 09/10/2004 7:06:32 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi
Competition creates innovations that protect worker salaries and lower product costs at the same time.

I think you have that backward --- labor shortages lead to innovations which increase productivity --- unlimited, very cheap labor doesn't lead to innovations.

One reason a country like the USA took to machines was because of limited cheap labor, countries like Mexico with abundant cheap labor had no need in machines and stayed inefficient.

38 posted on 09/10/2004 7:06:47 PM PDT by FITZ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: FITZ
I think you have that backward --- labor shortages lead to innovations which increase productivity --- unlimited, very cheap labor doesn't lead to innovations.

I agree. However, today you can find cheap labor by moving overseas. Innovative executives are looking for alternatives to moving overseas because they are Americans as well and they do not want to see the jobs leave.

Anybody who wants to claim that the majority of American Corporate Executives have no allegience to this nation are just misinformed. Most do not want to move jobs overseas. They are forced by lack of innovation, restrictive labor contracts, or restictive regulations.

39 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:14 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Erik Latranyi
keep our industries sharp and innovative

Cheap employees don't make an industry sharp --- and another thing is they don't make the product especially cheap. In the 70's it was possible to buy a new car made with all well-paid American labor for $3000 to $6000. Today with all that $0.25 to $0.50 an hour foreign labor a car can cost over $30,000 --- labor costs drastically fell but the cost of the product to the consumer radically rose.

40 posted on 09/10/2004 7:20:52 PM PDT by FITZ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 161-175 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson