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Poland presses for World War II compensation
The Jerusalem Post ^ | Sep. 10, 2004 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 09/10/2004 11:40:15 AM PDT by Lukasz

Polish lawmakers urged the Polish government Friday to seek compensation from Germany for World War II-era damages, a response to claims by some Germans for restitution of former property in Poland.

The resolution, passed unanimously by the lower house, also asserted that Poland has "no financial obligations whatsoever toward German citizens" for the property they lost when Polish borders shifted westward after the war.

The vote was 328-0 with one abstention.

Claims by former German property owners and their descendants have resurfaced as a powerful irritant in relations since the fall of the Iron Curtain - and more immediately since Poland's entry into the European Union on May 1.

A group calling itself the Prussian Claims Society has said it intends to file its first restitution claims in Polish and probably also in European courts this year.

Though Friday's measure is not legally binding, it puts pressure on the government of Prime Minister Marek Belka to raise the issue with Germany, Poland's largest trading partner.

"Poland has not received its due financial compensation or war damages for the enormous damage and material and nonmaterial losses caused by the German aggression, occupation, genocide and loss of independence," the resolution said. It urged the government to "take due steps on the issue against the German government" and asked the government to present an estimate of damage that Poland suffered in the war.

The claim campaign has reopened old wounds in Poland, where the fate of Germans who fled or were expelled at the war's end is viewed with little sympathy given the death and destruction wrought by the Nazis in Poland.

In reply, Polish cities are tallying up damages - led by Warsaw, which was largely destroyed by German troops after the Nazis put down a 1944 uprising by Polish fighters in the capital.

Seeking to dampen Polish concerns, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder indicated in Warsaw last month that his government will advise courts to reject any German citizens' claims against Poland.

In Berlin, the Foreign Ministry would not comment on Friday's parliamentary resolution, but pointed to Schroeder's speech in Warsaw, in which he spoke out against "restitution claims that stand history on its head."

Postwar estimates put wartime material losses at about 40 percent of Poland's national wealth. On that basis, claims now are believed to be worth about US$640 billion, though there is no current overall estimate.

An estimated 12.5 million ethnic Germans were expelled or fled from Poland, then Czechoslovakia and other East European countries when the Third Reich collapsed and the Allies moved the region's borders toward the west.

Poland lost 6 million citizens under the Nazi occupation. For many Poles, the claim campaign suggests Germans are trying to blur the role of victim and perpetrator in World War II.

The daughter of a survivor of the Nazis' Auschwitz death camp recently became the first Pole to sue the German government for suffering inflicted by the Nazis during World War II.

Izabela Brodacka, 60, is demanding a symbolic US$7,300 in a Berlin court. She said it was a symbolic gesture for those who "suffered and who are dying in silence, seeing that history is being rewritten."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: compensations; germany; poland; wwii
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 11:40:16 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz
compensation from Germany for World War II-era damages

Why does Russia get a pass?

2 posted on 09/10/2004 11:47:09 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Carl Rove? That Bitch set us up! - Terry 'marion Berry' McCauliff)
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To: Lukasz

The Poles should be free to sue any Nazis for compensation. However, the German government of today is a government installed by the victorious allies at the end of WWII when they occupied Germany. The Nazi government ended in 1945 and has no linage to the German government of today.

Germans, if they were not Nazis, should be able to claim land that was seized from them at the end of WWII. There was no justification for seizing this land and will become a huge political issue if no settlement is found.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 11:48:30 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Michael.SF.
Why does Russia get a pass?

To the victors go the spoils.

4 posted on 09/10/2004 11:49:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Why does Russia get a pass?

Same reason no Soviet atrocities were prosecuted at Nuremberg.

5 posted on 09/10/2004 11:50:35 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Because this is Russia :-) With Russia it would be only wasted of time. As for Germany I think that it is only to stop their strange organizations of expelled people.


6 posted on 09/10/2004 11:52:05 AM PDT by Lukasz (Don’t trust the heart, it wants your blood.)
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To: Lukasz
I would love to see Germany get back everything. Pomerania and Silesia. Russia can sell them back East Prussia. France can give back Alsace and Loraine, which Louis XIV stole. And give them Danzig too; I don't care if Poland is land-locked if Austria has to be. Bring back the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, minus Italy, and give it Prussia's external possessions. But more importantly, bring back the Empire's constitution. One Germany, but very divided internally, with each member city, state, and town very jealous of its own freedom and special rights.

The French would surrender just from looking at the map. At the same time, Germany would double the problems it's having just in integrating the former East Germany. They wouldn't be strong again for a while, especially when they let socialism slow them down.

7 posted on 09/10/2004 11:58:15 AM PDT by Styria
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Germans, if they were not Nazis, should be able to claim land that was seized from them at the end of WWII. There was no justification for seizing this land and will become a huge political issue if no settlement is found. Here I don’t agree, Germany LOST the war it is reason to took this land. Beside of that Poland didn’t took but USA, SU and UK gave it to Poland and SU took larger land in the east. Similar things happen million times in history and many times in German-polish history. After WWII new German government also wasn’t nazi but paid compensations to France, Soviet Union and others.
8 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:52 AM PDT by Lukasz (Don’t trust the heart, it wants your blood.)
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Germany LOST the war it is reason to took this land

Of course, you are right. And of course, a nationalistic leader may just come along and use this issue to flame the passions of Germans into something not seen for 60 years.

9 posted on 09/10/2004 12:04:54 PM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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Wrong. The Germans lost the war and the land. They are lawful spoils of war.


10 posted on 09/10/2004 12:07:48 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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Yep - until they figure out the only way to get their land back is by force. See the aftermath of WWI to see what that leads to...


11 posted on 09/10/2004 12:11:31 PM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Impossible in present times, Germans nowadays were educated enough to know that they don’t have any chance in similar war. Now look like they are pacifist, Iraq is great example.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 12:11:54 PM PDT by Lukasz (Don’t trust the heart, it wants your blood.)
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Postwar estimates put wartime material losses at about 40 percent of Poland's national wealth. On that basis, claims now are believed to be worth about US$640 billion, though there is no current overall estimate.

And of course, the loss of human life is not calculable.

This could create quite an interesting situation with the comfortable Germans if pressed and pressed.

13 posted on 09/10/2004 12:12:11 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Little Ray
The Germans lost the war and the land.

The problem is, they disagree on both counts. That was 2banana point, IMO. Is Poland really surprised?
14 posted on 09/10/2004 12:13:36 PM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Lukasz
See the years right after WWI. Germany was a wrecked country, massive internal disorder, hyper-inflation, massive unemployment - it took what? - 10 years? For a nationalist leader to "turn things around."
15 posted on 09/10/2004 12:14:29 PM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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Poland border is almost the same like 1000 years ago, why Poland should give Germany NATIVE polish land?


16 posted on 09/10/2004 12:15:14 PM PDT by Lukasz (Don’t trust the heart, it wants your blood.)
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To: Lukasz
Poland border is almost the same like 1000 years ago, why Poland should give Germany NATIVE polish land?

????? There was no Germany or Poland 1000 years ago...

17 posted on 09/10/2004 12:17:10 PM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Lukasz
why Poland should give Germany NATIVE polish land?

The proper question is, can it not give it? Can you (or a silly court) stop the Germans?
18 posted on 09/10/2004 12:18:16 PM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Styria

"Bring back the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation,"


Talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic:


The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, Roman, nor an Empire.


Discuss.


19 posted on 09/10/2004 12:25:43 PM PDT by Blzbba (John F'in Kerry - Dawn of a New Error.)
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To: 2banana

Hmmm. We're still around. Relatively speaking, we're even stronger than we were at the end of WWII. That would be a real bright move on the BRD's part...


20 posted on 09/10/2004 12:40:32 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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