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Pot Smokers Comprise 75% Of Illicit Drug Users, Federal Study Says
NORML News ^ | September 9, 2004 | NORML

Posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:17 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: robertpaulsen

wouldn't it help reduce our trade deficit if we could grow pot here?

It could also help revive the family farm! Without government subsidies!


21 posted on 09/10/2004 8:49:39 AM PDT by babble-on (Just brainstorming here.)
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To: cryptical

But....Only a small percentage inhale?????????


22 posted on 09/10/2004 8:51:14 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: babble-on

Actually, it would probably only revive the family farm for a couple of hours and then the family farm would go to sleep listening to old "Traffic" albums and would wake up feeling really dazed.


23 posted on 09/10/2004 8:51:46 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Dude!


24 posted on 09/10/2004 8:53:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

actually that sounds like a decent plan for the weekend


25 posted on 09/10/2004 8:59:00 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Just another Joe
"If someone could come up with a good field test to tell if you were under the influence of marijuana, I would say go ahead and legalize it similar to the way alcohol is legal today."

I'm almost sure that they can do a blood test, which (in theory) would detect active drugs in the system (not metabolites, which, in Marijuana's case, can linger for quite a while). In that case, if a cop pulls over a reckless driver, smells the scent or probable cause (like say, red eyes, slurred speech if they're THAT stoned), he can test their blood for THC (not sure, but I think they might already do this in some states. They can also take blood forcibly, if necessary IIRC). If they're over a legal limit (this is the gray area, of course), we already have DUI laws.

26 posted on 09/10/2004 8:59:06 AM PDT by mbennett203
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To: robertpaulsen
Robert, drunken driving IS a crime, as you fraudulently use public roads in violation of other's rights. Speeding is another fraudulent use of public roads. People who are impaired and cause accidents should have the book thrown at them anyways.

Even the most liberal and wasteful treatment programs cost far less than incarceration, incarceration of drug users that results in early release for violent criminals or higher tax burdens for citizens as we are driven to build and staff more prisons.

Personally I am against the whole legalization and taxation argument because I'm against anything that will increase bureaucracy and income of the federal government.
27 posted on 09/10/2004 9:02:34 AM PDT by t_skoz
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To: cryptical

What conservative would ever be interested in using illegal drugs anyway? This should be posted at DU where it belongs.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mbennett203

and aren't some unreasonably huge number of people in jail today there for marijauna related offenses?

Its not as if marijuana really does anything positive for you in the long run, I mean it IS a vice, but a relatively mild one compared to what's legal out there (viz. Porn, Malt Liquor, Tom Green)


29 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:22 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: dmz
"Alcohol is legal, but there are regulations on its usage that no-one really objects to ..."

So, it's OK with you to pull someone over for no reason (with these roadblocks), test them against some arbitrary .08 BAC (it used to be higher, what happened?), take away their liberty, fine them an outrageous amount, suspend their license, etc. just because they MIGHT cause an accident?

In AMERICA?

I object to that! What's next, with that kind of logic?

"Or how 'bout the money and resources spent on this situation reported a week or so ago?"

What money? What resources? And what was the Michigan State Police supposed to do ... ignore it?

30 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:38 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: t_skoz
"drunken driving IS a crime"

Only because we say it is. I'll use the marijuana legalizers argument ... who's hurt by my driving drunk?

If I speed, weave, drive off the road, run a stop sign, fail to signal, cause an accident, fine, arrest me, give me a ticket.

I am violating no one's rights by driving drunk. As a matter of fact, I bet I'm a safer driver at .08 than some 80-year-old stone cold sober.

But, you would arrest me and incarcerate me for something I might do. Seig Heil.

32 posted on 09/10/2004 9:16:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: mbennett203
I said a "field" test. Similar to a breathalizer.
The police don't take blood on site. They must go to a hospital to have blood taken..
I'm unsure whether there is a test, even with blood, to detect the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, vs the metabolites.
33 posted on 09/10/2004 9:20:38 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: sweet_taters

Lets see following that logic, Jesus never owned stock in any corporation so that must be bad also.


34 posted on 09/10/2004 9:20:51 AM PDT by TheFrog
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To: robertpaulsen
I'll use the marijuana legalizers argument ... who's hurt by my driving drunk?

And we all know how many marijuana legalizers are making that argument.........

35 posted on 09/10/2004 9:22:24 AM PDT by gdani
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To: robertpaulsen

You are too obtuse to converse with. I should never have wasted my time. Drunk driving, or driving while under the influence of drugs, is a fraudulent activity despite your arguments otherwise. People are smoking pot in their homes and not violating rights or committing fraud so get over yourself.

You advocate taking people's rights away all the time, for nothing more than ingenstion of illegal substances in the privacy of their own homes, so stick the "Seig Heil", fun boy.

Get the last word if you want, but I'm not going to bother replying to any more of your booze-saturated nonsense. Good day.


36 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:26 AM PDT by t_skoz
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To: A CA Guy

Thanks for playing. It's not about using drugs, it's about
cutting back on a portion of the War on Drugs that I feel
oversteps the authority of the Federal Government.

I find it interesting that approximately 5% of Americans
have used a substance in the past week that has been
illegal for 70+ years.

Apparently we need to spend more money fighting the
marijuana trade.


37 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:55 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: sweet_taters

Actually, in my experience dealing with an anarchist living in the dorm room next door to me in college, the real counter-culture types have moved on from pot. Many of them are heavily into ecstasy and similar club drugs.

So many Americans, from all walks of life, have at least experimented with pot that it can't really be claimed to be counter-culture anymore. I would have no problem with legalizing it along the lines of alcohol.


38 posted on 09/10/2004 9:25:10 AM PDT by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: babble-on
"and aren't some unreasonably huge number of people in jail today there for marijauna related offenses?"

Not at all.

" Calculations based on recent BJS reports suggest that, at any one time, 59,300 prisoners charged with or convicted of violating marijuana laws (3.3% of the total incarcerated population) are behind bars, at a total cost to taxpayers of some $1.2 billion per year."
-- mpp.org/arrests/fas61699.html

That's out of 2 million prisoners. And you can bet that the majority of those 59,000 are drug dealers.

39 posted on 09/10/2004 9:28:04 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: gdani
For the nit-pickers:

I'll use a variation of the marijuana legalizers argument ... who's hurt by my driving drunk?

40 posted on 09/10/2004 9:32:14 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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