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ARE THE KILLIAN MEMOS REAL? (Kevin Drum digs himself in deeper)
Washington Monthly ^ | September 9, 2004 5:57 p.m. EDT | Kevin Drum

Posted on 09/09/2004 5:11:49 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War

ARE THE KILLIAN MEMOS REAL?....The big question swirling around the blogosphere at the moment is whether the "Killian memos" that CBS aired last night on 60 Minutes are real or not. Powerline appears to be the central clearinghouse for amateur discussion of typefaces, terminology, signatures, etc.

For what it's worth, I spoke to someone a few minutes ago who's familiar with how the documents were vetted, and the bottom line is that CBS is very, very confident that the memos are genuine. They believe that (a) their sources are rock solid, (b) the provenance of the documents is well established, and (c) the appearance of the documents matches the appearance of other documents created at the same place and time. In addition, people who knew Killian well have confirmed that the memos are genuine.

This won't stop the arguments, of course, since CBS's sources are anonymous and are apparently going to stay that way. But while caveat emptor is always good advice, I thought it was worth passing on the fact that CBS is pretty sure of itself on this.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; ccrm; kevindrum; killian
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Duly noted, Kevin. LOL!
1 posted on 09/09/2004 5:11:50 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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I accidentally cut off the timestamp on this. It was posted at 5:57 p.m. EDT.


2 posted on 09/09/2004 5:12:54 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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Funny...the man's own son has many questions on these 'documents'...


3 posted on 09/09/2004 5:13:19 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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"CBS's sources are anonymous"

and...DEAD!

4 posted on 09/09/2004 5:14:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (VICTORY...........brings peace.)
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To: Dont Mention the War

No . . .the real question is:

Q. Did Bush meet with the enemy in Paris and collaborate with them?

A. No.

Q. Did Kerry meet with the enemy in Paris and collaborate with them?

A. YES!


5 posted on 09/09/2004 5:15:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: Dont Mention the War

Yeah, and CBSNews.com now has a story questioning the authenticity of the documents.

THAT's how sure they are.....bottomline


6 posted on 09/09/2004 5:15:52 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Dont Mention the War
I spoke to someone a few minutes ago who's familiar with how the documents were vetted,

And he expects us to believe hearsay about hearsay?

8 posted on 09/09/2004 5:16:26 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Dont Mention the War

Yeah, well Michael Moore is pretty sure of himself, too.


9 posted on 09/09/2004 5:17:01 PM PDT by william clark
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The democrats are going to regret so loudly proclaiming that they were going to fight dirty. This won't look good for them even if they didn't have anything to do with it.


10 posted on 09/09/2004 5:17:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
(c) the appearance of the documents matches the appearance of other documents created at the same place and time.

This means CBS also has other documents, purportedly created at the same place and time. Let's see em.

11 posted on 09/09/2004 5:17:45 PM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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Cbs is sure of itself?

Thats why they flopping around like John Kerry on PCP?

Kevin,You ignorant slut


12 posted on 09/09/2004 5:17:56 PM PDT by skaterboy
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In addition, people who knew Killian well have confirmed that the memos are genuine.

I guess Killian's son who served with him at that time and has raised doubt about these memos, actually didn't know his father as well as CBS' sources. Yeah. That's the ticket.

13 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:01 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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Powerline is really tearing apart the memos -check it out if you haven't read it ...


14 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:12 PM PDT by 11th_VA (While Kerry lied, good men died ...)
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To: Dont Mention the War

I bet ole Kev cracks himself up.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:25 PM PDT by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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Then CBS should come out and say where they got the documents, who authenticated them, and why they did not contact the family of the deceased man.


16 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:26 PM PDT by gramho12 (Buildings fell....a Nation rose.)
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Then CBS should have no problems naming the sources then.


17 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:33 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Made in USA
grab Rather by the neck

Grabbing him by his jug ears would make much better TV, though....

18 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:44 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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...I thought it was worth passing on the fact that CBS is pretty sure of itself on this.

I'm convinced. I'll take their word for it.

19 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:55 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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They believe that (a) their sources are rock solid, (b) the provenance of the documents is well established, and (c) the appearance of the documents matches the appearance of other documents created at the same place and time.

After all I have seen tonight, I will be very curious to know how officers of the Texas Air National Guard were happily banging out word-processor type documents in 1972-73 when essentially no one else was doing this as most authorities have it.

I also want to know why a retired officer is mentionqed as active. Other than that, fleece me! I'm a lamb.

20 posted on 09/09/2004 5:18:58 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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