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To: Bonaparte

Perhaps you are right; perhaps allowing the White House to be the only one refuting this isn't sufficient.

I just really think that there is not sufficient evidence to conclude fraud, though.

I also would prefer to hear an IBM expert weigh in on the font issue.

But perhaps I am just too inexperienced in the ways of FR. That could be it.

I'm all for screaming "fraud," but I think I'd like to base such a cry on truly expert opinion, not my own.

I don't mean to insult anyone; I think you realize that by now. At least I hope so.


226 posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:06 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor

http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?
idArticle=4596&R=9FCD2F192


Is It a Hoax?
Experts weigh in on the 60 Minutes documents. Says one: "I'm a Kerry
supporter myself, but . . . I'm 99% sure that these documents were not
produced in the early 1970s."

by Stephen F. Hayes
09/09/2004 7:20:00 PM


DOCUMENTS CITED Wednesday by 60 Minutes in a widely-publicized expose
of George W. Bush's National Guard Service are very likely forgeries,
according to several experts on document authenticity and typography.
The documents--four memos from Killian to himself or his files written
in 1972 and 1973--appear to indicate that Bush refused or ignored
orders to have a physical exam required to continue flying. CBS News
anchor Dan Rather reported the segment and sourced the documents this
way: "60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were
taken from Col. Killian's personal file," he said. The 60 Minutes story
served as the basis for follow-up news reports for dozens of news
organizations across the country. The memos were almost immediately
questioned in the blog world, with blog Power Line leading the charge.

And according to several forensic document experts contacted by THE
WEEKLY STANDARD say the Killian memos appear to be forgeries. Although
it is nearly impossible to establish with certainty the authenticity of
documents without a careful examination of the originals, several
irregularities in the Killian memos suggest that CBS may have been the
victim of a hoax.

"These sure look like forgeries," says William Flynn, a forensic
document expert widely considered the nation's top analyst of
computer-generated documents. Flynn looked at copies of the documents
posted on the CBS News website (here, here, here, and here). Flynn
says, "I would say it looks very likely that these documents could not
have existed" in the early 1970s, when they were allegedly written.

Several other experts agree. "They look mighty suspicious," says a
veteran forensic document expert who asked not to be quoted by name.
Richard Polt, a Xavier University philosophy professor who operates a
website dedicated to typewriters, says that while he is not an expert
on typesetting, the documents "look like typical word-processed
documents."

There are several reasons these experts are skeptical of the
authenticity of the Killian memos. First the typographic spacing is
proportional, as is routine with professional typesetting and computer
typography, not monospace, as was common in typewriters in the 1970s.
(In proportional type, thin letters like "i" and "l" are spaced closer
together than thick letters like "W" and "M". In monospace, all the
letter widths are the same.)

Second, the font appears to be identical to the Times New Roman font
that is the default typeface in Microsoft Word and other modern word
processing programs. According to Flynn, the font is not listed in the
Haas Atlas--the definitive encyclopedia of typewriter type fonts.

Third, the apostrophes are curlicues of the sort produced by word
processors on personal computers, not the straight vertical hashmarks
typical of typewriters. Finally, in some references to Bush's unit--the
111thFighter Interceptor Squadron--the "th" is a superscript in a
smaller size than the other type. Again, this is typical (and often
done automatically) in modern word processing programs. Although
several experts allow that such a rendering might have been
theoretically possible in the early 1970s, it would have been highly
unlikely. Superscripts produced on typewriters--the numbers preceding
footnotes in term papers, for example--were almost always in the same
size as the regular type.

So can we say with absolute certainty that the documents were forged?
Not yet. Xavier University's Polt, in an email, offers two possible
scenarios. "Either these are later transcriptions of earlier documents
(which may have been handwritten or typed on a typewriter), or they are
crude and amazingly foolish forgeries. I'm a Kerry supporter myself,
but I won't let that cloud my objective judgment: I'm 99% sure that
these documents were not produced in the early 1970s."

Says Flynn: "This looks pretty much like a hoax at this point in time."

CBS, in a statement Thursday afternoon, said it stands by the story.
The network claims that its own document expert concluded the memos
were authentic. There are several things CBS could do to clear up any
confusion:

(1) Provide the name of the expert who authenticated the documents for
Sixty Minutes.

(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William Flynn,
Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three in
the United States--for further analysis.

(3) Provide more information on the source of the documents.

(A spokeswoman for CBS, Kelly Edwards, said she was overwhelmed with
phone calls and did not respond to specific requests for comment.)

Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard.

© Copyright 2004, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights
Reserved.


227 posted on 09/09/2004 6:03:23 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor
It's all good, TE, and no offense taken. I tend to sometimes come on a bit strong and I hope you haven't taken any offense either.

At this point, I don't plan on communicating my displeasure to CBS any further. I will, however, let all their sponsors know exactly what I intend to do concerning their products/services (list has been posted here.) The sponsors will contact CBS and Viacom for me -- and probably to much greater effect.

232 posted on 09/09/2004 6:37:14 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Technical Editor
I'm all for screaming "fraud," but I think I'd like to base such a cry on truly expert opinion, not my own.

Let me differ: if YOU can make an exact duplicate of the "original" by merely opening MS Word 2002 and entering the text, and either adjusting font size to 14 or changing page width, doesn't that make your own opinion strong enough to scream "fraud"? I did, you can - and there's no freaking way a few seconds of trivial effort should perfectly match a supposedly 30-year old document made on totally different technology.

263 posted on 09/10/2004 3:21:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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