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'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
Drudge ^ | 09/09/04 | Drudge

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:55:04 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot

Edited on 09/09/2004 11:59:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: js1138

If Rather didn't have the originals, or exact reproductions of them, comparisons to the originals are irrelevant.


81 posted on 09/09/2004 12:31:06 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: OnTheDress

Yes,

When you watch TV, and there is a graphic of a pile of documents, and they highlight a line and bring it forward so you can read it, do you think that they use actual documents for that? Sometimes yes, sometimes once you digitized the original, manipulated it, and animate it, it is not readable, so re-create digitally so it is. They do what is expedient and gives the "look" they are going for.

Yes it is a different discussion, but the prevailing standard is that if it is representitive or the actual document and verbatim it is OK.

All I am trying to say we need to make sure we are examining the actual original documents before we go farther with 70's typwriters, and MS Word overlays and such.

-- l8s
-- jrawk


82 posted on 09/09/2004 12:31:15 PM PDT by jrawk
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To: Shermy
The "7" in 187th is different in the word processor. And the "8" in 18 is not even in the "original".
83 posted on 09/09/2004 12:32:03 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: GrandmaPatriot

Although I will refrain from celebrating just yet, I have to admit that this is looking rather nice.

Before I retired a little over a year ago, I was a very busy crime fighter for 26 years and I can tell you this.....you folks impress the heck out of me.

Now, if we only had the hard copy of the documents, so that we could send it to the lab for a few tricks, like paper composition and ink analysis!!

Again.....good job....this is fun to watch!!!!!


84 posted on 09/09/2004 12:32:53 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: luvbach1

If they can't get their hands on the originals, they are up the creek.


85 posted on 09/09/2004 12:33:11 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Howlin
DU talking point on the forged memos:

The White House released the same documents yesterday without challenging their provenance.

86 posted on 09/09/2004 12:33:28 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: Howlin

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12524_Bush_Guard_Documents-_Forgeries


87 posted on 09/09/2004 12:33:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Howlin; leftcoaster
As has been pointed out elsewhere, first by leftcoaster, I think, the CBS memos have curved apostrophes. The typestyles shown at:
http://www.selectric.org/selectric/
all have straight apostrophes, with the exception of Script which is curved but lacks the 'bulb' of the now common Times style.
88 posted on 09/09/2004 12:33:37 PM PDT by yatros from flatwater (Postmodernism, brought to you by Lucifer, Father of Nuance.)
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To: The_Victor

Can we find an IBM typewriter of that time frame and retype the document to check what it looks like?


89 posted on 09/09/2004 12:34:42 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: Sir Gawain

Thanks; of course, I've been there today, but didn't recognize the initials!


90 posted on 09/09/2004 12:34:58 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: jrawk

Good points.


91 posted on 09/09/2004 12:35:15 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: NJ Neocon

NJ Neocon: 2004-08-28


92 posted on 09/09/2004 12:35:26 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: Petronski

On another thread, the white relased 'logs' while these docs were found 'at the same time'


93 posted on 09/09/2004 12:35:57 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: GrandmaPatriot

I don't know which is funnier: Rather getting his face blown off by propaganda he propagates as news, or watching another great hope by the Democrat party getting so easily trashed.


94 posted on 09/09/2004 12:36:03 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Not Fonda Kerry in '04 // Vets Against Kerry)
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To: Petronski

I'm not sure the White House "released" these documents, period; most articles are quoting CBS.

The documents that the White House has were faxed to them by CBS.

And why would the White House make a big deal out of them being fakes, when we can take the ball and run with it?


95 posted on 09/09/2004 12:36:21 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Howlin
Kevin Drum:

UPDATE: I now have copies of the memos the White House released, and they are just versions that CBS faxed to the White House the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. There's no indication that the White House had its own copies of these memos and had been sitting on them.

Apologies.

Source.

96 posted on 09/09/2004 12:39:33 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: The_Victor; All

The funniest thing about all this is that it is insane. It doesn't make sense at all. If Bush's unit was the champagne unit and it was SOP to get these well connected guys a way out, why is Killian so angst ridden? The war was winding down, the draft was almost or already over, and there was an abundance of pilots. If Killian just wanted to go up the food chain, why would he care at all about George W. Bush?

The Mother of all CYAs is looking the other way. I imagine that someone like Killian (who apparently was (acc to the Left) up to his ears in "fortunate sons" ) wouldn't be particularly concerned about George W. Bush's drill attendance.


97 posted on 09/09/2004 12:40:16 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Rodm

If supply records still exist from that unit you can find out the exact model of typewriter used at the unit.


98 posted on 09/09/2004 12:40:33 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: GrandmaPatriot

The joy of seeing the spotlight of truth shined into a dark den of evil!

Its as if the witch is about to die...

Dan Rather deserves to be shamed into repentance.
Let us pray.


99 posted on 09/09/2004 12:40:42 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: GrandmaPatriot

This is so much FUN! Watching the Demoorats crash and burn every other day.


100 posted on 09/09/2004 12:41:36 PM PDT by ezo4
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