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Was Rather Duped by Anti-Bush Hoax?
RatherBiased.com ^ | September 09, 2004

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:14:40 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com

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To: RatherBiased.com
Bingo bango bongo!!

Check this out:

Watch Your Six

Watch Your Six is the term used by military aviators of which CoverYourAss (CYA) is the civilian analog. I put it in as a euphemism for such things as CYA, which is the motivation for things like PearlHarborFile(s). The issue is that when you are directed to do stupid things, you need to be sure that the system isn't setting you up as the fall guy. GetItInWriting is probably one of the related ideas. BlowingTheWhistle is a nice strategy, but tends to shorten your employment and make you unemployable to boot. So the next best thing is to make it obviously dangerous to make you the fall-guy so that such predators will search elsewhere for targets. If this sounds cynical, I've got a lot of experience watching the unscrupulous prey on the unwary. CaveatEmptor is good advice in all domains. -- RaySchneider

So military aviators would not use a term like "CYA", but "Watch Your Six" instead?

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WatchYourSix

61 posted on 09/09/2004 11:41:29 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: RatherBiased.com

For me, Dan Rather lost the little credibilty he had left during election night 2000 when he was obviously trashed. My friend worked at a local CBS affiliate at the time and they were so embarassed by the drunken fool that they switched to CNN for most of the coverage.


62 posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:09 AM PDT by Hoodlum91
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To: megatherium
EXACTLY!


63 posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:50 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: js1138
For preparation of standard documents you are no doubt right that the Selectric wasn't hard to use. I used one myself in the seventies at college. But it was neither a word processor nor a type setting machine.

The article raises a few details which are difficult to ignore regarding the likelihood that these documents were typed quite recently using word processing software. Even if the doc's are genuine they are irrelevant to which man is the best pick for Commander in Chief, but if they are demonstrably forged it would and should be a very big story.

As with the Swift Boat commanders' expose of Kerry's distortions and lies, the White House will want to avoid any appearance of involvement with exposing Rather as either the victim or the source of a hoax. But it is exactly what this forum and the internet are good for.

64 posted on 09/09/2004 11:45:26 AM PDT by katana
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To: RatherBiased.com
This is starting to snowball, FReepers!!!


65 posted on 09/09/2004 11:45:58 AM PDT by mingusthecat (Mingus has again opined. Like any cat, she doesn't really care what YOU think.)
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To: jimbo123; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

BUMPING!


66 posted on 09/09/2004 11:46:30 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: freeperfromnj

Not really. Just vague references to the usual smears, stuff like that.

They didn't comment on THESE memos.


67 posted on 09/09/2004 11:46:31 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: lilylangtree

Couldn't have happened to a nicer (cough) guy. "What's the frequency, Kenneth?"


68 posted on 09/09/2004 11:47:41 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Red Badger

lol


70 posted on 09/09/2004 11:48:49 AM PDT by agrace
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To: leftcoaster
The CBS documents apostrophe is curved, not straight. So they came from a computer, not a typewriter.

Clearly, the apostrophes in the documents are curved. I am not familiar with the typewriters in question. If it is true that typewriters from this time period have straight apostrophes, it pretty much confirms a forgery.

71 posted on 09/09/2004 11:49:22 AM PDT by Pete
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To: falcon1966

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72 posted on 09/09/2004 11:49:36 AM PDT by falcon1966
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To: js1138
Probably depends on your skill level... Much more difficult than using Microsoft Word. Also, these documents were apparently being typed by an Air Force (ANG) Lieutenant Colonel whose primary skill was as a pilot. Based on my limited experience of many years ago as an officer trying to create plans and orders using such a typewriter, the Colonel would had to have had exceptional typing skills to have produced such error free documents including the use of superscripting... IMHO the net centric world has exposed this whole thing as a fraud in less than 18 hours... This is one for the good guys.
74 posted on 09/09/2004 11:51:17 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: z3n
Drudge now has this story on his site.

It doesn't matter about "liability"--if this is indeed a forgery, it will be an incredible embarrassment for Rather.

Here's hoping.

75 posted on 09/09/2004 11:51:25 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: ladyjane
OK, clumsy to do corrections. But this was a fairly high level officer. This could be settled by seeing a handful of documents from the same office and time period.

My problem with these threads is that certain facts have been established: a typewriter existed at the time that could have produced these documents; people are confusing proportional type with justification; people are not concentrating on the possibility that the documents might be real but slightly altered. I'd like to know if the originals exist.


76 posted on 09/09/2004 11:52:12 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
I noticed one interesting detail in your report which is admittedly unrelated to your central thesis.

Other threads on this subject have made much of the rank abbreviations in the 60 Minutes documents. Ex-military FReepers have insisted that no genuine military document would use any abbreviation other than "1LT" for a First Lieutenant and "LTC" for a Lieutenant Colonel. However, in the first of the four documents you offered for comparison purposes (and I assume there is no question about the genuiness of this document), which is the President's request for transfer, his rank is abbreviated "1st Lt." and the Colonel's rank is abbreviated "Lt. Col."

Not a killer, mind you, but it does make me wary of experts who are so absolutely certain they are right.

77 posted on 09/09/2004 11:52:29 AM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: ScoutMockingbird

Hiya Troll!


78 posted on 09/09/2004 11:53:01 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: Mamzelle
Drudge now has this story on his site.

Yes!!!! Next stop talk radio then onto Fox News.

79 posted on 09/09/2004 11:53:37 AM PDT by Pete
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To: RedEyeJack
I worked some parttime jobs with typewriters that my kids are now fascinated with..."Cool antiques"...

Did they even have "white out" back then?

80 posted on 09/09/2004 11:53:58 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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