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FIRMLY BELIEVE this deserves its own thread.
1 posted on 09/09/2004 9:18:02 AM PDT by mingusthecat
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Someone needs to run all this by Mr. Abagnale, (Catch me if you can) living happily ever after in Tulsa, Oklahoma.


56 posted on 09/09/2004 10:22:25 AM PDT by OKSooner
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Time to blow CBS out of the water once and for all, for basing a hit piece on clumsy forgeries.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 10:27:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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More from http://www.powerlineblog.com/

UPDATE 3: We have received so much information from readers that it's hard to keep up. Reader Fred Godel points us to Kevin Drum's Washington Monthly "Smoking gun update" stating that the White House has released copies of two of the memos and left their authenticity undisputed. Reader John Burgess adds:
I'm afraid the Post 47 at Free Republic is not compelling. By 1969, I was using an IBM Selectric typewriter, with proportional type balls. They were widely available in the public sector-and thus readily available to the military. I do not recall having used a Palatine typeface, but Times Roman was certainly common. While I do think the entire argument about "Bush/AWOL" is bull, the raising of type faces is not useful. In fact, it's counterproductive because it's demonstrably false.
Reader Chris Rohlfs points to another "document in Bush's record (http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc27.gif) which, if real (I got that link from here) appears to have some typing from the same typewriter. Look at the word 'Recommend.'" Reader Larry Nichols adds:
What a freakin' joke! I served in the Air Force for 21 years -- 1968 to 1989 -- the first 7 as a Personnel Specialist and the remainder as a PSM (Personnel Systems Manager). I also spent 2 years as an inspector at Hq SAC, Offutt AFB, NE in Omaha, inspecting Personnel Offices at all 26 SAC bases. As a PSM I had to know every job in Personnel, including the proper filing of documents in individual military records. Memos were NOT used for orders, as the one ordering 1LT Bush to take a physical. This would have done as a letter, of which a copy should have been sent to the CBPO (Consolidated Base Personnel Office) to be filed in 1LT Bush's military record. Memos DID NOT get filed in personnel records.

I first used a computer in the Air Force in 1971 while stationed at Albrook AFB, Canal Zone. The computers were used only for updating records data. The Air Force was the first branch of the military to use a mainframe (Burroughs B-3500) computer for updating military records. Punch cards were used up until then. There were no Word Processors used until the late 1970's or early 1980's. Typewriters were still used extensively until the mid-1980s. These memos appear to be bogus.

As far as an Officer Effectiveness Report (OER) on Bush, unless he was under a supervisor for X number of days during a reporting period, no report could be written. Under special circumstances, a report could be written with only 60 days of supervision. The period may cover an extended period. Example: FROM 1 JUN 1970 THRU 15 DEC 1971 (more than 1 year) DAYS SUPERVISED: 60. The "vanilla civilian" Liberals and Journalists should quit trying to talk and write about things they know nothing about. In Sen. Kerry's case, that includes almost everything!

Finally -- finally for the moment -- reader Joshua Persons writes:
I've written a post regarding the forgery post on my weblog (click here). Mostly a rehash, but I googled and found a comparable, unrelated government memo from 1972 for visual comparison. Check it out at http://www.ecy.wa.gov/pubs/72e30.pdf .


63 posted on 09/09/2004 10:31:06 AM PDT by mingusthecat (Mingus has again opined. Like any cat, she doesn't really care what YOU think.)
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CSI: FR
79 posted on 09/09/2004 10:48:29 AM PDT by NordP (The terrorists aren’t bullies on a playground; they’re hard core, “24” TV, head-sawing TERRORISTS!)
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Selectric Typewriter Museum - IBM Selectric Typewriters

IBM Selectric Typewriters

Buddy B

88 posted on 09/09/2004 11:11:47 AM PDT by Buddy B
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Wouldn't other documents from Killian's file that were drafted at the time clear this whole thing up.


91 posted on 09/09/2004 11:20:20 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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We need a new 527. Bloggers for Truth.


93 posted on 09/09/2004 11:27:03 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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The advent of the Internet may actually cause the media to stop their bias. This is the third major error by the main stream since the "boos" fiasco.
96 posted on 09/09/2004 11:37:13 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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102 posted on 09/09/2004 11:42:19 AM PDT by jimbo123
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If the documents were created by a typewriter, evidence of paper compression should be visible under a microscope if not through through the sense of touch.

Anyone out there remember the feel of a typewritten paper?

104 posted on 09/09/2004 11:50:00 AM PDT by fso301
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Could there be a chance these papers were forged by people wanting to help President Bush cover something up? I am totally in support of our President, but we need to remember that if this probable forgery gets attention there will be those in the press thinking Bush did something to cover up and not the other way around. I sure hope that someone can make Dan Rather look (more) like a dufus for bringing these papers up.


105 posted on 09/09/2004 11:58:20 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (John Kerry LIED http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com)
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The question i have is why there would be multiple generation copies of the letters, if they were in Killian's personal files?

Wouldn't they be originals or perhaps carbons intead of copies of copies of copies.

Or is the copying only done to obscure the origins of the documents? This doesn't smell right to me given the provenance of the documents.


110 posted on 09/09/2004 12:30:51 PM PDT by 5by5
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One more time:

Original

MY document created in MS Word

My document overlaid on the original. Since my photo editing program will not allow rotating in increments of less than 1 degree, it is not an exact layover, however, it is easy enough to tell that the "Smoking Gun" documents that were mysteriously "found" are fakes.


113 posted on 09/09/2004 12:42:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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P.S. Does the P.O. Box "34567" look suspicious to you, too?


114 posted on 09/09/2004 12:43:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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4) I am amused by the way "147 th Ftr.Intrcp Gp." appears in the August 1, 1972 document. It may have been written that way in non-forged documents, but as somone who worked for ComCruDesLant, I know the military liked to bunch things together. I find "147 th" suspicious looking. 147th looks better to me, but the problem with Microsoft Word is that it keeps turning the "th" tiny if it is connected to a number like 147. And finally

Actually, the proper Air Force/Guard designation would be 147 FIG.

121 posted on 09/09/2004 3:24:52 PM PDT by JCEccles
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