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Beslan: the real international connection
spiked ^ | 8 September 2004 | Brendan O'Neill

Posted on 09/08/2004 1:30:21 PM PDT by A. Pole

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To: Odyssey-x; William McKinley
Beslan is representative of a much older and much more infamous political movement that hasn't reared it's ugly head since the early 20th century. That is anarchism, which has recently merged with Islamic radicalism. There were a whole bunch of assasinations of presidents, czars in the late 19th and early 20th century attached to no political demands except to somehow bring down the state and revert to some sort of governmentless utopia. For Example, President William Mckinley was assasinated by anarchists. World war I was started by an assasination by an anarchist.

Anarchists suck ping

21 posted on 09/08/2004 3:27:29 PM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: A. Pole
the new world order has encouraged the emergence of distinctly stateless groups, not tied to any specific community or political goal.

The Koran already had those "stateless" goals --- to bring the whole world --- all people --- under Muslim submission. Muslims are instructed that they must no live among the infidels except for the purpose of conquering the infidels --- how stateless can you get? World wide Islam is the goal, destruction of all governments besides the one Islam government is what they're after.

22 posted on 09/08/2004 4:21:44 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
I wouldn't go there without a lot ot hard thinking,if I were you. After all wasn't it Jesus Christ that said "Go out and baptize all nations and teach them what I have commanded you"? There is a big secular world of humanitarians out there just hoping for a major war or disaster or catastrophe leading to the death of all religions.

It is the time for men of good will to look deeper and further for thr truth.

23 posted on 09/08/2004 4:51:37 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity; FITZ; A. Pole
Radical Islam is a political platform NOT a religion. The religious part of it amounts to primitive paganism. The rest is internationalism and nazi zeal. Baptism is religion, conversion via killing and torture is politics. How is that not clear? The secular world of "humanitarians" is used as a mere chopping block. It really ain't that complex. But it's a lot more urgent than most people think.
24 posted on 09/08/2004 5:39:16 PM PDT by silversky (Brothers in Arms)
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To: A. Pole
Very interesting analysis. In reading the comments, I think some have mis-understood what the author was trying to say.

1, Globalism - the "New World Order" - rose to prominence in the early 90s after the collapse of the Soviet empire. Whether running large multi-national corporations, or influencing the policies of major countries, it's undeniable that the globalists, who are western leftists generally, view nation-states as an impediment to their utopian dreams. Hence the open-borders lobby, Soros' Open-Society Institute, etc. etc. During the 90s, the globalists viewed the Islamists as effective tools to achieve theie goals in those places that might prove resistant to the drumbeat of multiculturalism - places like Yugoslavia and Russia, where nationalist feelings still run deep. After all, there's no problem with the average Euro-crapweasel, who has been indoctrinated since pre-school to despise his own nation/culture and worship at the altar of multiculturalism and "diversity."

2. The Islamists, useful though they were a decade ago, have blown up in the globalists' face as of 9/11/01 - so that there is now a split in globalist strategy.

(adding my own analysis here)
On one side are the "practical" globalists who realize that the jihadis are as big of a threat to themselves as they are to any remaining western nation-states. Thus their short-term goal is to put a lid on the jihadis. Tony Blair is the best example of this view. He's a globalist who will happily destroy England as a distinct nation via open borders and handing over sovereignty to the EU, but he's smart enough to realize that utopia may never come about if the jihadis manage to set the world ablaze.

On the other side you have Chirac and Schroeder, who think they can eventually corrupt the burgeoning Muslim hordes in their own countries through the degenerate moral climate so typical of post-Christian Europe. It's nothing but wall-to-wall sex, drugs, and MTV in Euro-utopia, all subsidized by endless welfare and coupled with a multiculturalist police state where even mild criticism of the "religion of peace" can land you in prison. They are betting that the Muslims there will eventually become just another group of apathetic, obedient automatons (like the natives) - willing to swallow whatever effluent is emitted by the 'ministry of truth' (the Crapweasel media). Thus Chirac and Schroeder pander to both the Kool-Aid swilling Euros and the seething Muslims. They simply refuse to acknowledge the threat, and kowtow at every opportunity to the jihadis.

25 posted on 09/08/2004 8:29:38 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: saradippity

It's one thing to spread the good news of salvation and another to go out and slaughter all the infidels. There is no comparison between Islam and Christianity or other religions.


26 posted on 09/09/2004 6:17:29 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: silversky

The Nazis could have been just as much a religion as Islam. Hitler could have declared himself a prophet of some god and then Nazis in the USA would have complete freedom especially today to spread their form of hate and fascism.


27 posted on 09/09/2004 6:19:26 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Odyssey-x

You are really on to something with your references to late 19th century anarchism linked with pan-Arabism and Wahabbi idealism. See the really great book by Paul Berman, Terror and Liberalism.


28 posted on 09/09/2004 6:22:50 AM PDT by Remole
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To: Bogolyubski; FITZ; saradippity; A. Pole; ninenot; Destro
The genesis of the disease is intriguing but not essential. The important thing is a clear diagnosis followed by a treatment plan. So there we go. Radical Islam is plaque. "Humanism" is AIDS. Nations are the living cells, shielding the seeds of truth. You have to picture how all this works together. Plague is THE killer. It has to be eliminated down to DNA level. The rest is for the day after.

Shroeder, Chirak, etc EU trash, are sick beyond hope. Forget them. Number one, Putin s'got to take his blinds off and apply the tough medicine regardless of side effects. He is the first in line. GW may or may not wake up, there is no time to even think about it.
29 posted on 09/09/2004 10:10:25 AM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: FITZ
Just yesterday Al Gore compared Bush's Christianity with fundamental Islam. There is a thread on this,running on Free Republic.

There are far too many men dedicated to expunging religion,especially Christianity rrom the world they are creating for us,to give them any grist for their mill. To charaterize the perpetrators of terror as Islamists only opens the door for comparisons with other religions.

30 posted on 09/09/2004 10:11:05 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity
Comparisons are well overdue and not a bad thing. The problem is not that soreGore is crying, it's that GW is not responding with a good analysis of the religious aspect. Gore is providing him with a wonderful opportunity. If GW keeps silent... then there is only one script. No loss in that case either.
31 posted on 09/09/2004 10:33:25 AM PDT by silversky (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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Well,i guess I should be grateful that you are not my doctor. To say that the genesis is not important only the diagnosis and treatment merit attention is poor medical practice.

If you had a primary tumor that was throwing off cancer cells that were taking hold and spreading throughout your system and your doctor decided to bombard all the metastatic sites with lethal doses of chemo or radiation and ignore the primary site,he would be remiss. Essentially that is just what you are advising and it is a remedy that will do nothing to stop the cancer but instead will ensure that it will continue to throw off cancer cells and eventually overwhelm and kill you. Bad,bad medicine.

No,to find the source or genesis of the disease is paramount. The writer of thi article makes a good case for looking at the effects of a worldview that ignores nations and men's borders and boundaries. Cui bono?

32 posted on 09/09/2004 10:52:57 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: okie01
Thanks for the ping.

It's reassuring to see that, in the first part of the article, the author analyzed the situation pretty much as we did.

Blaming Clinton for everything makes as much sense as blaming Bush for everything. The simplest explanation is that the Muslim world, which has been declining for 400 years, is facing final disintegration and thus is producting ever more ruthless and desperate defenders. I'll stick with that until I find better.

33 posted on 09/09/2004 6:11:20 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

reading all comments with interest.


34 posted on 09/09/2004 6:24:00 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: okie01; Ciexyz
Russia Says Siege Leader Brutally Killed 3 Followers

Even the terrorists didn't like taking a school.

35 posted on 09/09/2004 6:59:09 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: A. Pole

BTTT for later read


36 posted on 09/09/2004 7:00:19 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Odyssey-x

This article is nonsense. The Beslan massacre is ONE thing I think we can safely exonerate Clinton from blame on.

I've hated him enough already. I'd prefer to hate the child-killers now.


37 posted on 09/09/2004 7:29:31 PM PDT by Burr5
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