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I ran across the repeat of this interview by Paula Zahn early this morning (originally aired at 8PM last night). I have to give CNN and Zahn credit - this was one of the most forthright statements on a major network of the question we all want addressed. And Mr. Ajami was relatively straightforward in his response.

Worth reading the transcript and the lead-in interview with Stephen Cohen, professor of Russian studies at New York University...

While I am doubtful of Mr. Ajami's assessment that we might start to see a change in Islam resulting from the Beslan atrocity, part of his wrap-up is true:
"... And even though we talk about diplomacy and we talk about trying to win Muslim hearts and minds, this is a war for Muslims themselves. They must be the ones who weed these radicals out of the faith."

I think he sees it coming about through introspection. I behieve it it will come only as a means to relieve them of the consequences of harboring terrorists. If, that is, we are willing to wage a war worthy of the name. So far, there are a lot of questions lacking honest answers on both sides of the line...

1 posted on 09/08/2004 5:43:46 AM PDT by LTCJ
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Other than Islam being a cult of Satan...


2 posted on 09/08/2004 5:45:41 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. (I fly the black helo):.)
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Is water wet?


3 posted on 09/08/2004 5:45:47 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/terroristscorecard)
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Other than it's based on a barbarous, warrior cult...NO!


5 posted on 09/08/2004 5:49:47 AM PDT by evad (We cannot afford 9-10 thinkers in a 9-11 world)
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There is something wrong with the Muslim society only if you believe it is a problem that they like to KILL EVERYBODY ELSE! Heck they even enjoy dying and killing each other.

Yeah, it's a problem. But, it's a problem we can solve by helping to, um... expedite THEIR desire for death.


6 posted on 09/08/2004 5:49:58 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist (God Bless Ronald Reagan!)
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"...Islam is innocent of all this."

BS; Islam IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS, you Muslim schmuck!


11 posted on 09/08/2004 5:55:18 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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... unless Muslims, mainstream Muslims, ordinary Muslims, establishment Muslims, scholars, rulers, intellectuals and journalists, reclaim the faith, this faith, it has become an instrument of radicalism.

The question that keeps troubling me is that if the Imam of the Grand Mosque of Mecca, or the Imam of the Grand Mosque of Rome, do not represent and define Islamic "mainstream," "establishment," "scholars," "rulers," or "intellectuals," then who does?

If the Imam of the largest mosque in Europe calls for the slaughter of Jews and infidels, is that still "radical?" Or does it become "mainstream" when such a sermon is unabashedly broadcast to a million Muslims at a time?

12 posted on 09/08/2004 5:56:03 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Repression may be one problem. A friend, who has throughly researched web dating sites in preparation to erecting one, and has talked with numerous women about their experience on web dating chat rooms, says there is a common and ubiquitous complaint among them.

Muslim men are arrogant in conversation, and, when a Muslim man can identify a chatter as a woman, he PM's (private message) her and immediately petitions for sex.

13 posted on 09/08/2004 5:56:16 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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Is it stated anywhere in the Koran that killing those who believe differently is WRONG? If it is, why aren't those passages taught? If it isn't, that makes it a death cult and seals it's doom. Either Islam will succeed and the world will be a living hell or it will be annihilated because of it's unwillingness and inability to coexist.


14 posted on 09/08/2004 5:56:28 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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The other answer is to say, well, look, we have to look very carefully at the conditions of modern Muslims today.

In other words, it's someone else's fault that Muslims live in poverty under the grinding heel of modern-day totalitarian monarchies and backwards theocracies, so their violence against others is excusable.

15 posted on 09/08/2004 5:57:32 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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we have to look very carefully at the conditions of modern Muslims today

And what causes the conditions of modern Muslims? Their pathetic ideology that promotes polygamy, selling and beating of women, an inability to think or reason. If Muslims reached their goal and placed the whole world under the Koran, conditions would be terrible --- but then who would they blame?

18 posted on 09/08/2004 6:01:00 AM PDT by FITZ
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Muslim Society

That's an oxymoron.

There ain't no such thing as a Muslim Society, just a bunch of cave dwellers driven by a tribal desire to kill, and be sacrificed in the name of their god (lowercase).

19 posted on 09/08/2004 6:03:47 AM PDT by aShepard
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The problem is the ordinariness of Islam: Muhammad was not predicted in the Hebrew Bible and he preformed no miracles.
It is absurd to believe that God would have given this man the authority to recast a religious faith announced to Abraham and Moses and fulfilled by the Incarnate Son of God. Muhammad literally concocted a religion in his head.
No wonder his faith is wearing out.
21 posted on 09/08/2004 6:08:17 AM PDT by quadrant
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The question makes it sound like there was nothing wrong with ( Spread ALLAH BY THE SWORD) CLASSICAL Muslimism


26 posted on 09/08/2004 6:14:43 AM PDT by uncbob
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Islam's highest morality seems to deal with control of women's sex organs, and control of how women dress. The "dress" of choice for this kinky religion is to make women look like moving piles of dog poop.

Beyond control of women's sex organs, praying every few hours, and a sick obsession with murder and rape, there is no religion.

These monsters can shoot an 8 year old in the back, rape 6 year olds (boys and girls) and feel moral. They feel moral because their women's heads are covered. Or their arms are covered, or they're covered in black and look like dog poop. Somehow, they believe, women's fashions allow them to be killer/losers.

And they think God doesn't notice their evil. Doesn't notice because they believe, a woman's covered bodies blinds God. But they are wrong. God sees them. God sees the rapist with the child. And God hates their sin.

Oh, yeah, radical Islamist don't get along with anyone else on the planet -- including each other. All terrorist acts are committed by Islamist and almost every war involves them.


27 posted on 09/08/2004 6:17:08 AM PDT by GOPJ
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Of course there's something fundamentally wrong: they hold up a seventh century warrior prince who oversaw the beheading of prisoners of war en masse, held slaves, distributed slaves as booty to his followers, forcibly married women and 'consummated' a 'marriage' with a nine-year old girl as the height of human moral perfection.
28 posted on 09/08/2004 6:18:08 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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This was a depressing show - Zahn trawling Mohammedan websites for any evidence there might be one Moslem in the world who is outraged - a reporter interviewing people asking their opinions in one of the Arab dictatorships, pretending these people could freely give their views: Zahn seems like a very confused person, the only reason I watched it is due to travel don't have access to Fox news.


29 posted on 09/08/2004 6:19:37 AM PDT by geros
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wherever Islam rubs up against other civilizations, there seems to be trouble.

Now there is an understatement.

31 posted on 09/08/2004 6:20:31 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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wherever Islam rubs up against other civilizations, there seems to be trouble.

Now there is an understatement.

32 posted on 09/08/2004 6:20:35 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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Here's what the Bible says about Ishmael, the patriarch of the Arabs. Note especially verses 11-12.


Genesis 16: 1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."
Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.
7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:

"You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."

13 She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi ; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.
15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.


34 posted on 09/08/2004 6:25:21 AM PDT by keats5
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I would call these statements concerning Islam "nuanced". Just like John "F stands for flip-flop" Kerry.


35 posted on 09/08/2004 6:27:05 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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