Posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:05 AM PDT by scooter1
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966, John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves.
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year"
On Jan. 3, 1970, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve
It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. I think the real reason is Kerry was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his service term had ended!
My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.
A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL
Give it up.
BTW, virtually everyone who did 2 years active duty during the Viet Nam War was granted whatever exemption from reserve duty he or she sought.
We weren't really wanted. The reserves were bloated with folks hiding out from the draft.
We should give it up just after the msm gives up on Bush's guard record. I think the hypocrisy is terrible
Kerry received his Honorable Discharge on Feb 16, 1978 not March 2001. He spent almost 6 years in the Standby Reserves. A Navy Board determines when to remove officers from the Standby Reserves. Coincidentally, I was released from active duty in 1972 and did not receive my Honorable Discharge until Feb 16, 1978.
It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Read this again.
It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
What's up with that?
What the F... are you trying to say here?
Thanks for clearing that up.
That AP POS Freepers nailed this weekend should be an example.
Now, has the bank that holds his mortgage been contacted about how he's endangering their ability to get paid back? It's certainly time to put them on notice so they don't sit there waiting for him to miss 3 or 4 months worth of payments before they act.
Ditto that. I would bet Kerry's original discharge was General rather than Honorable.
Kerry received his commission in December 1966. He would have completed three years of active duty in December 1969, which was his obligated active duty requirement.
Bet you thought I was defending Kerry didn't you?
Fact is I was defending all the other guys who had some serious active duty time during the Viet Nam War and were then shut out of the marvelous opportunities available to us as reservists.
I would bet not. An officer cannot receive a General discharge. Officers can only receive 3 types of discharges - Honorable, OTH (Other than honorable) and Dishonorable. A dishonorable can only be awarded as a result of a General Court-Martial. An OTH is a special admin board.
I still don't understand what Kerry's status was after he was discharged from active duty. Was he subject to the UCMJ?
An officer is liable under the UCMJ UNTIL he RESIGNS his commission. Even after retirement, Off/Enl are STILL liable as we are taking "retainer" pay.
Kerry was chargeable under the UCMJ not only for murdering the wounded VC but also for Art 88, Contempt towards Officials. Also, for Aiding the Enemy in a time of war for VVAW part.
Not charged simply because he is from a RICH family with ties to the Kennedy scum.
Okay..."No amount of additional training was going to make Kerry any more decisive than he always was... Give it up."
I still don't understand your message, I guess I'm just not cynical (aka; 'smart') enough to understand your wit.
The problem in this argument is that the Viet Nam war should not have been brought up.
. It doesn't matter to me why Kerry took the path he took. The ad says 'be all you can be' and that is reason enough to join. He did well on that score. The problem began when he decided to make the cornerstone of his campaign something that he seemed to hold in such disdain.
Even though folks are quite happy to perform any required military duty, it doesn't mean they like it, or want more of it, or that they want to do additional service in a unit filled with draft evaders.
Let's put it this way, Kerry is an inferior product who further training wasn't going to improve. That's all reserve drills are ~ training. So why waste perfectly good training on him.
---BTW, virtually everyone who did 2 years active duty during the Viet Nam War was granted whatever exemption from reserve duty he or she sought.---
Not necessarily true. I was in the same USNR program as Kerry. It was made clear to me at the time I enlisted that I would have two years of active duty, three years of drills/two week activations, and a final year of inactive status. I was required to fulfil my committment. I did not receive my honorable discharge until after my last year of inactive status.
Kerry's record makes no sense to me. It never has. He enlisted for 6 (or possibly 7 due to Officer Training) years in 1966. There is no indication that he re-enlisted, because there is no record of additional drills etc. So why does his honorable discharge occur in 2001, or in 1978, as reported in other places?
Something smells and the truth needs to come out.
When I got out of the Infantry I was offered a reserve position in an NG unit in Indiana (Dan Quayle managed to get it). Living in Arlington VA was not compatible with that position and there were NO reserve billets available anywhere within 100 miles of DC ~ all the Capitol Hill geeks had them tied up as they evaded the draft.
My reserve time was spent INACTIVE!
Glad you remember the guys who flooded the reserve components during the Viet Nam War. Some posters here think that was just our imaginations.
First, I must say that I am offended by your ignorant-assed assumption in your statement. I enlisted in the USN, served proudly as a Navy Corpsman (2 tours in Vietnam) assigned to the USMC's 3rdMARDiv FMF
"Even though folks are quite happy to perform any required military duty, it doesn't mean they like it, or want more of it, or that they want to do additional service in a unit filled with draft evaders."
This bullshit statement probably applies to a lot of draft dodging pukes from the late sixties but I doubt very seriously if you'll be able to put this tag on those who served as enlistees versus those drafted.
FWIW, I would strongly urge you to watch your mouth when it comes to 'slamming' a Vietnam era Vet - knowingly or unknowingly!
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