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AP: Lawsuit Gets Bush Guard Papers Out
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Posted on 09/07/2004 4:46:21 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

AP: Lawsuit Gets Bush Guard Papers Out

2 minutes ago

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) was ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard class and flew more than 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Pentagon (news - web sites) and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and crafted new requests under the public records law.

"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.

"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense (news - web sites) regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."

The records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, was ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.

Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in his the F-102a jet used to intercept

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ap; bushngrecords; mediabias; tang
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To: smith288
o this just tells us that Bush was a good pilot but not great

Actually, everyone who flew these and safely landed more than a few times was probably a great pilot. Not being one of the best does not mean you were not great. Pilots who were not even good did not make it through flight school, were removed from flying status or crashed soon thereafter.

81 posted on 09/07/2004 5:24:28 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: glock rocks; Interesting Times; Chieftain; Defender2; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Mia T; ..


Is this the same Associated Press that published that lying propaganda that George Bush's rally audience "booed" when GW said Bill Clinton was going to have to undergo major heart bypass surgery and then corrected it and pulled AP writer Hays from the AP byline?


AP had refused to release Hays name as the lying lib scumbag working for John "V" Kerry!

AP has confessed that their original article was untrue and therefore biased and had to be corrected.

Can we ever believe the AP again?

Why should we?




http://pr.lookingat.us/BushAP.mp3




I wonder if AP reporter Mr. Hays has bothered to comply with registering under Meagan's Law yet?

Howard Dean told me "It's out there" that a Mr. Hays is allegedly a convicted child sex offender, but Howard said he was not 100% sure himself this is the same Mr. Hays.


I'd like to see all pertinent official records and documents on "Mr. Hays" to clear this up now.




82 posted on 09/07/2004 5:25:36 PM PDT by devolve ( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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To: Sub-Driver

I SENT E-MAILS TO AP.

I'M SICK OF THIS KINDA CRAP.


83 posted on 09/07/2004 5:27:23 PM PDT by Attn to Detail (NEED 2 SENATORS FOR NC! Has had 1 for too long.)
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To: MrChips

This proves that Bush is Hitler.


84 posted on 09/07/2004 5:27:31 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns (I'm John Kerry and I approved/disavowed this message.)
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To: Sub-Driver

reminds me of the title of a Shakespeare Play.. Much Ado About Nothing..

On the same note, Kerry reminds me of a Shakespeare quote.. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!


85 posted on 09/07/2004 5:29:58 PM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: LS
Oh you know this latest salvo by the MSM will be met with even more scathing information about John Kerry, mainly by the Swiftboat Vets.

If I've said it before, I will say it over and over and over again: CFR not only handcuffed the first amendment, but it also makes the MSM the most powerful 527 out there, because they will go UNCHALLENGED by anyone. This is precisely why every single one of us needs to urge the President to leave the 527s alone. Without 527s, the MSM will dominate and dictate- that's right, dictate- political thought throughout America.

86 posted on 09/07/2004 5:31:58 PM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: woodb01

bookmark


87 posted on 09/07/2004 5:33:14 PM PDT by federal
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To: Sub-Driver
how can we trust this story?????... I mean AP reported that there were "boo" and/or "oooohhs" at a Bush speech that video showed only applause.

For all we know the Russians could have planned this, or maybe AP got the National Guard records hidden somewhere else.... or its all Bush's fault.

I read an AP story that was headlined

"Over 150 Russian Children killed since George Bush declared an end to hostilities on May 1st.". < /sarcasm >

88 posted on 09/07/2004 5:34:18 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: mnehrling

Another quote from the Bard that could apply to Lurch's supporters: "Lord, what fools these mortals be!"


89 posted on 09/07/2004 5:36:12 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Democrats and Liberals suffer from MSD-Massive Spending Disorder)
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To: Dick Vomer
Sent my sarcastic letter to the AP

Just finished reading the article,AP lawsuit gets Bush Guard papers out.What a great article.You have shown that the President did fulfill his Guard service.I am so glad you researched this Guard story for as long as you did.Everybody else had given up,but you stayed with this story for month and months and months,and put aside all other stories to pursue this. Without your help in keeping this in the forefront,readers would not know how truthful this President has been.I look forward to the article you have coming out on Senator Kerrys signing his 180 form.I know you will put in as much effort getting out the untold military information on John Kerry, as you did the President.Once again thank you for confirming what I already knew about our President.You must be as proud of him as I am.

90 posted on 09/07/2004 5:38:08 PM PDT by tapatio (Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.)
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To: tapatio
RELEASE JOHN EDWARDS MILITARY RECORDS!!!!!!!

 

oh - forget about it.....

91 posted on 09/07/2004 5:39:44 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: nomad

Re: #75

No, because he, unlike Bush, hasen't signed SF-180.


92 posted on 09/07/2004 5:39:55 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: pittsburgh gop guy

Yep JOHN EDWARDS MILITARY RECORDS!!!

I'm sure he's got lots of war wounds in the bar after all those hearings!!!

LOL!!!


93 posted on 09/07/2004 5:41:56 PM PDT by woodb01 (EDWARDS WAR RECORDS!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I bet the AP has never attempted to access Civil War pension records. I've had cases where the National Archives could not find specific records I'd requested, only to find that they were still in the hands of the VA. Why pension records over 60 years old are still in old files of the VA is beyond me. Yet they are. In order to gain access to these records, I've had to write the VA, filling out a special form for these records and wait until the VA has gotten back to me that they've located the records. Sometimes even the VA can't locate the record, which means it's permanently lost or misfiled. In some cases, I've ended up having to write my Congressman in an attempt to cut through the bureaucratic red tape to get copies of these records. So if these media groups think they've had a hard time getting a glimpse of Bush's Air National Guard records, they ought to try doing research on Civil War soldiers. They'd tear their hair out.


94 posted on 09/07/2004 5:41:59 PM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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To: Roscoe Karns

This proves that President Bush flew his F 102a a very long way. At 600 mph over 335 hours he could have flown that plane around the world about eight times. With afterburners, he could have completed a few more laps.


95 posted on 09/07/2004 5:42:34 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: mass55th

As someone who has been trying to get her great-grandfather's Civil War pension records off and on for 10 years, I know how right you are.


96 posted on 09/07/2004 5:44:16 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (John Kerry won't be happy until he's made us all as miserable as he is.)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy

send that to Karl Rove!


97 posted on 09/07/2004 5:46:28 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: woodb01

But I guess I should have wrote:

RELEASE JOHN EDWARDS' MILITARY RECORDS!!!

Me grammer no good.


98 posted on 09/07/2004 5:48:26 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: pittsburgh gop guy

written.


99 posted on 09/07/2004 5:51:35 PM PDT by glock rocks (There's nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat.)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
BTW, all these hurricanes are W's fault too, because he wouldn't sign Kyoto.
100 posted on 09/07/2004 5:53:26 PM PDT by glock rocks (There's nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat.)
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