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To: Junior

Modern communism involves gulags, secret police, and the replacement of the old family bonds and functions with state agencies. You can't get to that starting from Christianity; you can starting from Darwinism.


231 posted on 09/08/2004 6:04:21 PM PDT by swolf
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To: swolf

> You can't get to that starting from Christianity; you can starting from Darwinism.

I assume that was a typo; otherwise you're wrong on both counts. Christians have justified just such horrors via Biblical sources (largely OT); while trying to derive a social structure from Darwins observations of cause-and-effect would be like trying to order a society based on Keplers observations of planetary motion.


234 posted on 09/08/2004 6:34:40 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: swolf
You actually make an interesting point that Communism, like many other -ism's sprout from a Darwinistic POV of the world. Now myself, I'd go even further and would blame Christianity for the end result that is Communism, or Naziism, Fascism, etc. More specifically, Reformation Protestantism.

In both cases, the ideas themselves aren't evil, but put men on a certain new path of thinking that leads to a materialistic, secular, soulless ideology.
242 posted on 09/08/2004 9:03:15 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: swolf
You don't get any of those things from "Darwinism." The whole concept of "my worldview is the only one possible" arose from monotheistic religions -- specifically Christianity and Islam. Hence, the Crusades, Inquisition and Jihad (a bad man will do bad things, but it takes religion to get a good man to do bad things). The polytheistic religions never had religious problems because they naturally believed that the other guy's gods either existed (there were a lot of gods back then) or that the other guy's gods were simply the same gods with different names. Christianity changed all that, claiming that God alone existed, and worship of any other god was not to be tolerated. Period. Islam took that concept and ran with it.

Communism, as practiced in Russia, simply replaced God with the State. The same mindset applied. However, nothing in "Darwinism" mentions any sort of political machinery. The Russians refused to accept Darwin's findings, prefering to go with Lysenko, Stalin's pet crank scientist.

Real communism (from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs) arose from Christ's teachings. You can't get around that so you pop off down a tangent about "modern communism."

246 posted on 09/09/2004 3:30:21 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: swolf

Maybe, but you can get to the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and the Holocaust from Christianity. You can't justify any of these things using the theory that, over time, the relative frequency of alleles in a given population changes resulting in the wide diversity of life observed today. Even if you could, what's that got to do with the truth or falsity of evolution?


255 posted on 09/09/2004 8:18:47 AM PDT by stremba
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