Posted on 09/06/2004 9:35:23 AM PDT by earplug
Michael Badnarik, Libertarian Presidential candidate will be speaking at the downtown Colorado Springs, Pioneer Museum. September 7th, A Rally will be held starting at 6 PM.
This IS probably the most important election,thus far,in your lifetime;unfortunately,you are incaoable of seeing that. ;^)
Ah, but I HAVE given a reason for why this is one of the most important elections, more important than most. In case you've forgotten already, it's: TERRORISM.
Now, will you please give me evidence that you Libertarians and/or Constitution Party geniuses have nudged the GOP to the right through your spoiler candidacies?
Well, not wanting to blemish his "no veto" record he punted it over to the Supreme Court, and they punted it right back.
If you really cared about the freedoms you claim to have lost you would work from within the existing Big Stupid Government system to reform it. Being smart [benefit of doubt for the sake of the discussion] you would choose the party most suitable - the one closest to your ideals [however marginally] - to wit: the GOP. The tent is certainly big enough. You can influence your candidate, you can make a difference, you can change the party. You could even BE the candidate. Abraham Lincoln did it. Barry Goldwater did it. Ronald Reagan did it. George W. Bush is doing it. You can do it. But not if you abdicate. If you run off to never-gonna-get-elected third [or fourth, or twelfth] parties you are copping out.
Ron Paul is all by his lonesome. He is one of the Republicans, but we all know he is a [the] Libertarian. What if there were two Ron Pauls? Or five? Ten? What if there was a Libertarian Caucus within the Republican Party? [Hey, the Rats have a Socialist, um, I mean Progressive Caucus, and it sure has a tremendous influence.] Don't you think you would have A LOT more influence on the workings of the Republican Party, and therefore on the workings of Congress if you participated rather than marginalizing yourselves? As it stands now, you are doing exactly that - marginalizing yourselves. A perfect Lose-Lose for you. So sad.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for Republicans to stop sucking on the Big Stupid Government tit. They want to be the Rulers.
You're right, but these people show no sign of wanting to be effective. They want to feel superior. They are the political version of Saturday Night Live's "Church Lady," with her "little Superior Dance" and her paranoid references to "SATAN????"
Life's too short to listen to such thimblebrains. I just
like to bait -- and if possible demoralize -- them.
Good move.
Politics just isn't their meitre...they much prefer to imagine that fiction is reality and vice-versa. :-)
Yeah. They're really kids at heart. Touching in many areas of life, but it doesn't belong in politics. Certainly not with the survival of the Western world at stake.
I'd still like to hear about the big crowd for Mr. Bumbledick in Colorado Springs today.
Maybe there wasn't one.
They dream of a time that never existed,convinced,as I said,that works of fiction are the road map to what reality should be,even when those overwrought,hardly readable tomes are valueless in a 2004 world.
If you were a principled Republican, pointing out the error of their ways, rather than out of the tent, they would have to listen. Perhaps you would inspire instead of being dismissed out of hand or being considered the spoiler.
Perhaps there should be an ALU to give Liberty Ratings to politicians such as the ACU gives now. Then we could choose amongst our candidates more effectively and pressure them to vote our way. But it isn't gonna happen while you are outside the tent.
Consider the plight of Ralph Nader. Look at his treatment at the hands of the Rats. If he had run for the Senate, somewhere, as a Rat candidate, he might actually have won, and he would be in position to accomplish infinitely more of his (wacko) agenda. And don't get me wrong - I despise Nader and consider him to be a Saddam-class villain (a topic for another thread, perhaps) - I certainly do not support him in any way. But you know what? I signed the petition to get him on the ballot as a Green or what ever because it hurts Kerry. And I have encouraged all my friends and any Republicans I know to do so as well.
Me personally, I have a pretty wide streak of Libertarian in me. But libertarians-as-Libertarians are going nowhere, and can actually hurt their own cause. Libertarians-as-Republicans are a lot more appealing and have a lot more potential to advance the Libertarian cause. I repeat my primary point: look how well the Progressive Caucus, more accurately called the Socialists-as-Democrats, has advanced its agenda. The Socialists-as-Socialists never went anywhere. Yet the Socialist Party platform of 1928 has been fully implemented.
The western world was not built on the two party scam that your protecting.
I have to alphabetize my spice rack.
Re: "Western world not built on two-party scam ..."
Did I ever say it was?
And by the way, the correct spelling is "you're."
"Your" doesn't mean "you are." It means something
that belongs to you. As in: "your deficient logical
abilities, spelling, and political maturity."
"You're deficient in all these things, or you
certainly seem to be."
I remember Ronald Reagan. I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984. Dubya is no Ronald Reagan.
Terrorism has been around for 1000s of years. It'll be around 1000s of years hence. It's a historic human problem, like poverty, rape, murder, joblessness, and war. We must continue to try and solve these problems. However, we must not overturn all principles and liberties because of the insane notion that "everything changed" after 9/11 -- because if you know history, you'd know that nothing changed.
Sorry, you can't demoralize Libertarians because (1) we don't covet power for its own sake, and (2) we have no power to lose.
OTOH, should the LP cost the Bushies this election, I expect they'll be most demoralized.
"... most demoralized." Yes, and so would half the country.
And that half would be very angry with the 2 percent who voted Libertarian for no good reason at all.
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