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Michael Badnarik, in Colorado Springs

Posted on 09/06/2004 9:35:23 AM PDT by earplug

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To: Hank Rearden

This IS probably the most important election,thus far,in your lifetime;unfortunately,you are incaoable of seeing that. ;^)


41 posted on 09/08/2004 12:27:50 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Hank Rearden

Ah, but I HAVE given a reason for why this is one of the most important elections, more important than most. In case you've forgotten already, it's: TERRORISM.

Now, will you please give me evidence that you Libertarians and/or Constitution Party geniuses have nudged the GOP to the right through your spoiler candidacies?


42 posted on 09/08/2004 12:27:57 AM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: Hank Rearden
Bush squished that one flat.

Well, not wanting to blemish his "no veto" record he punted it over to the Supreme Court, and they punted it right back.

43 posted on 09/08/2004 12:32:55 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Hank Rearden; earplug; Commie Basher

If you really cared about the freedoms you claim to have lost you would work from within the existing Big Stupid Government system to reform it. Being smart [benefit of doubt for the sake of the discussion] you would choose the party most suitable - the one closest to your ideals [however marginally] - to wit: the GOP. The tent is certainly big enough. You can influence your candidate, you can make a difference, you can change the party. You could even BE the candidate. Abraham Lincoln did it. Barry Goldwater did it. Ronald Reagan did it. George W. Bush is doing it. You can do it. But not if you abdicate. If you run off to never-gonna-get-elected third [or fourth, or twelfth] parties you are copping out.

Ron Paul is all by his lonesome. He is one of the Republicans, but we all know he is a [the] Libertarian. What if there were two Ron Pauls? Or five? Ten? What if there was a Libertarian Caucus within the Republican Party? [Hey, the Rats have a Socialist, um, I mean Progressive Caucus, and it sure has a tremendous influence.] Don't you think you would have A LOT more influence on the workings of the Republican Party, and therefore on the workings of Congress if you participated rather than marginalizing yourselves? As it stands now, you are doing exactly that - marginalizing yourselves. A perfect Lose-Lose for you. So sad.


44 posted on 09/08/2004 12:34:40 AM PDT by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: calenel
Republicans won't even give us back control of our own toilets, much less tackle the more serious lost liberties. If they won't do the easy ones, there's no way they'll even bother to talk about doing the hard ones.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for Republicans to stop sucking on the Big Stupid Government tit. They want to be the Rulers.

45 posted on 09/08/2004 12:37:56 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: calenel

You're right, but these people show no sign of wanting to be effective. They want to feel superior. They are the political version of Saturday Night Live's "Church Lady," with her "little Superior Dance" and her paranoid references to "SATAN????"

Life's too short to listen to such thimblebrains. I just
like to bait -- and if possible demoralize -- them.


46 posted on 09/08/2004 12:42:32 AM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: nopardons
There you go - pummel and browbeat others into submission - so they'll line up to vote for the guy who assaulted the First Amendment.

Good move.

47 posted on 09/08/2004 12:44:53 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden
Awwwwwwwwwww,what's the matter Hank,facts too much for you to grasp/aren't to your liking,so you go directly for the insult? Some new material would elevate your reply;think on it.
48 posted on 09/08/2004 12:49:32 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: California Patriot

Politics just isn't their meitre...they much prefer to imagine that fiction is reality and vice-versa. :-)


49 posted on 09/08/2004 12:51:54 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Yeah. They're really kids at heart. Touching in many areas of life, but it doesn't belong in politics. Certainly not with the survival of the Western world at stake.


50 posted on 09/08/2004 12:55:45 AM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: everyone


I'd still like to hear about the big crowd for Mr. Bumbledick in Colorado Springs today.

Maybe there wasn't one.


51 posted on 09/08/2004 12:56:45 AM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: California Patriot
Yes,cases of arrested development and that just does NOT help anyone,least of all them;especially during times of war.

They dream of a time that never existed,convinced,as I said,that works of fiction are the road map to what reality should be,even when those overwrought,hardly readable tomes are valueless in a 2004 world.

52 posted on 09/08/2004 1:00:11 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Hank Rearden

If you were a principled Republican, pointing out the error of their ways, rather than out of the tent, they would have to listen. Perhaps you would inspire instead of being dismissed out of hand or being considered the spoiler.

Perhaps there should be an ALU to give Liberty Ratings to politicians such as the ACU gives now. Then we could choose amongst our candidates more effectively and pressure them to vote our way. But it isn't gonna happen while you are outside the tent.

Consider the plight of Ralph Nader. Look at his treatment at the hands of the Rats. If he had run for the Senate, somewhere, as a Rat candidate, he might actually have won, and he would be in position to accomplish infinitely more of his (wacko) agenda. And don't get me wrong - I despise Nader and consider him to be a Saddam-class villain (a topic for another thread, perhaps) - I certainly do not support him in any way. But you know what? I signed the petition to get him on the ballot as a Green or what ever because it hurts Kerry. And I have encouraged all my friends and any Republicans I know to do so as well.

Me personally, I have a pretty wide streak of Libertarian in me. But libertarians-as-Libertarians are going nowhere, and can actually hurt their own cause. Libertarians-as-Republicans are a lot more appealing and have a lot more potential to advance the Libertarian cause. I repeat my primary point: look how well the Progressive Caucus, more accurately called the Socialists-as-Democrats, has advanced its agenda. The Socialists-as-Socialists never went anywhere. Yet the Socialist Party platform of 1928 has been fully implemented.


53 posted on 09/08/2004 1:59:37 AM PDT by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: California Patriot

The western world was not built on the two party scam that your protecting.


54 posted on 09/08/2004 2:49:37 PM PDT by earplug (In god you trust. I like my silver and gold.)
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To: asgardshill
Sorry, can't go. Sorting sock drawer.

I have to alphabetize my spice rack.

55 posted on 09/08/2004 2:50:20 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: earplug

Re: "Western world not built on two-party scam ..."

Did I ever say it was?

And by the way, the correct spelling is "you're."
"Your" doesn't mean "you are." It means something
that belongs to you. As in: "your deficient logical
abilities, spelling, and political maturity."
"You're deficient in all these things, or you
certainly seem to be."


56 posted on 09/08/2004 9:29:39 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: California Patriot
Reagan was the most effective commie basher of all. How would you feel, how would we all feel, and how would the former slaves of the communist empire feel, if a right-wing spoiler had delivered the 1980 election to Jimmy Carter.

I remember Ronald Reagan. I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984. Dubya is no Ronald Reagan.

57 posted on 09/08/2004 10:22:17 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: California Patriot
Ah, but I HAVE given a reason for why this is one of the most important elections, more important than most. In case you've forgotten already, it's: TERRORISM.

Terrorism has been around for 1000s of years. It'll be around 1000s of years hence. It's a historic human problem, like poverty, rape, murder, joblessness, and war. We must continue to try and solve these problems. However, we must not overturn all principles and liberties because of the insane notion that "everything changed" after 9/11 -- because if you know history, you'd know that nothing changed.

58 posted on 09/08/2004 10:29:30 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: California Patriot
I just like to bait -- and if possible demoralize -- them.

Sorry, you can't demoralize Libertarians because (1) we don't covet power for its own sake, and (2) we have no power to lose.

OTOH, should the LP cost the Bushies this election, I expect they'll be most demoralized.

59 posted on 09/08/2004 10:32:45 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher

"... most demoralized." Yes, and so would half the country.
And that half would be very angry with the 2 percent who voted Libertarian for no good reason at all.


60 posted on 09/08/2004 11:47:22 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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