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Russian Rebels Had Precise Plan
New York Times ^ | 9/6/04 | C. J. CHIVERS and STEVEN LEE MYERS

Posted on 09/05/2004 10:15:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Brad's Gramma
They are crouching in the darkness from whence they came.

Hiding behind the ephemeral religion of "peace".

In our midst waiting to pounce.

Hundreds of Mosques have caches' of weapons and Islamiofacist "clerics" ready to follow the dastardly Koran.

Watch England and France.

It is the map to what they will do here if we don't stop them in their tracks.
21 posted on 09/05/2004 11:11:46 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: dr_who_2
Hopefully this is their wakeup call and they will ally with us and Israel.

All the terrorists are interconnected.

And most...nearly ALL of them...are Muzlims. Our wakeup call was almost 3 years ago. We have done a lot, but we need to get on task completely right now. No quarter.
22 posted on 09/05/2004 11:15:21 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Brad's Gramma

I work at a Walmart Supercenter and tonight I was thinking what if it was attacked by 19 or 20 terrorists on a busy weekend.

Have the terrorists in the right spots at the right instant and most of the customers and staff would be caught before they would know what was going on.

Have a remote controled car bomb go off outside the local police station to buy some time as for the terrorists to empty the cash office and registors and maybe other high value stuff such as drugs from the pharmancy and send that loot out before the cops arrive while bringing in equipment needed for the hostage standoff like welders, homemade bombs, etc.

weld all the fire doors shut (most can't be open from the outside anyway but to keep hostages from escaping). Have control of the sporting goods weapons and ammo and the storage gun lockers in the backroom (even if the terrorists didn't bring in much weapons or ammo the store would have plenty for them to use.)

Move the hostages to the most secure areas, have some move store shelves and carts and such as to create baracades to hinder rescue forces. Have secure communications by technology or codes to your friends outside and force your hostages to give up debit card pin numbers and credit cards,etc so that your terrorists on the outside can raid the hostages bank accounts.

Have your connections overseas have Walmart stock shorted so that when the price falls when the news of the hostage they make a killing on the stock market.

Done right the terrorists make a pretty good profit, they have plenty of ammo and food in a supercenter to live on so they should drag things out. The longer such a hostage situation lasts the weaker it makes the President looks and if on the other hand a rescue attempt results in the death of many hostages that too reflects badly on the President.

Pretty much a Win/Win situation for the Terrorists that we need to be prepared to deal with.


23 posted on 09/05/2004 11:19:16 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Syncro

I'm wondering as well if there is more that the U.S. could do to help Russia. Hopefully, US money isn't making it to Chechnya.


24 posted on 09/05/2004 11:20:48 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: wagglebee

Rebels? No, these parasites were terrorists. They were the lowest life form known to man. Threat them and their families like cocroaches. Apply the terrorists own tactics to their own families. Spouses, children, parents, bothers, sisters, just let it be known that the gloves are off. If your family buys off on being exterminated, then they'll let you carry out terrorist acts. No problem.


25 posted on 09/05/2004 11:27:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: DoughtyOne

I concur.


26 posted on 09/05/2004 11:31:34 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Swiss

You created a realistic and chilling picture. I've had similar thoughts, on different soft spots. None of which I'm willing to put on an open forum.


27 posted on 09/05/2004 11:33:17 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: wagglebee

Here is another update from my Russian missionary friend:


September 5, 2004

Dear Friends,

I am sending you information about Beslan Baptist Church of the Russian Baptist Union.

The Baptist Church of Beslan has 244 members. The building if the church is located very near the School # 1 which has become a place of bandits’ attack. More than 10 children of our believers of that church became hostages and experienced all the horror of this tragedy.

Peter Lunichkin is superintendent of the region says:

The pastor of Beslan Baptist Church, Temuraz Totiev and his brother, the missionary Sergey, are continuing search for their missing children.

Here are the name and ages of these children:

Dzerassa, she is 15 years old;

Anna, she is 8 years old;

Larisa, she is 14 years old;

Luba, she is 12 years old;

Albina, she is 11 years old’

Boris, he is 8 years old.

As I informed you earlier, Bro. Sergey’s daughter was killed (9 years old). The funeral service was held today. His son is in the hospital with the eye’s injuries. One of the Bro. Tamuraz’s daughter’s is at home.

There is another family. The Mother’s name is Irina Koieva. She and two her children were among the hostages. When the explosion and following storm of the SWAT teams happened Irina tried to escape from the school. Her son, Arthur, 9 years old, was killed before her very eyes… She was holding her another child on her hand and they were able to manage to escape…

Friends, I gave you names of these families and children. Please, pray for them. Let us pray to God for the comfort. Let us pray for those who are still missing… There is hope that children might have been taken to other hospitals… Oh God, we cry out to you on behalf of those families….

Fiodor Baraniuk,

Russian Baptist Union,

CIS Coordinator BMA of America


28 posted on 09/05/2004 11:41:39 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: jettester; trussell; Pegita; Simcha7; Yaelle; LadyX; TexasCowboy

Please, prayer pings for these children in post #28.


29 posted on 09/05/2004 11:44:55 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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Why the hell are they called "rebels"?

It is part of the "more sensitive" war on terror.


30 posted on 09/05/2004 11:52:46 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: wagglebee

Militants, Rebels, they NYT calls them everything but what they are, terrorists.


31 posted on 09/05/2004 11:57:35 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: wagglebee
"the attacks bear some trappings of Islamic militancy"

Do ya think?

32 posted on 09/06/2004 12:03:02 AM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: jettester; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Accountable One; Aeronaut; AKA Elena; Alabama_Wild_Man; ...
Prayer ping. Please see post 28.


My prayers going up for these children. God's blessings on them and deliver them home to those who love them.

Brads Gramma, thank you for the ping

Blessings,
trussell


If you want on/off my prayer ping list, please let me know. All requests happily honored.

33 posted on 09/06/2004 12:06:32 AM PDT by trussell (Women who behave... rarely make history!!)
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To: EaglesUpForever


Every time I think about this tragedy, one thing comes to mind. Ann Coulter was right.
34 posted on 09/06/2004 12:11:56 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Atchafalaya
Is Shamil Basayev dead?

Most unfortunately, he seems to be about as dead as Osama bin Laden.

35 posted on 09/06/2004 12:35:46 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Syncro
And most...nearly ALL of them...are Muzlims. Our wakeup call was almost 3 years ago. We have done a lot, but we need to get on task completely right now. No quarter.

Follow the money, the funding. Most probably came from Saudi Arabia, which is also the homeland of Wahhabism, the preferred grade of Islam for all Muslim terrorists. We keep tippy-toeing all around the Saudis.

36 posted on 09/06/2004 12:45:12 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Fast1

It is an election and they want their man to win, the loser.


37 posted on 09/06/2004 2:27:02 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: Swiss

Tanks to break in, smoke and concussion grenades.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 2:44:43 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: wagglebee

"I'm shocked they weren't referred to as "freedom fighters", the Old Gray Whore barely acknowledges that these barbarians are Muslims."

Think it is time to pull the Slimes press credentials. Either that of force them to put the word "BIAS EDITORIAL" over their articles.


39 posted on 09/06/2004 4:46:40 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: Fast1
Russian Rebels ????? What the hell are they thinking?

Perhaps because of this?

In 1944, the Chechens, along with several other ethnic groups, were accused of having collaborated with the Nazis and deported to Siberia. Their collective guilt established by the order of Stalin, on Feb. 23, 1944, more than half a million Chechens were forcibly herded onto cattle cars and sent to Western Siberia. As many as half died en route, and uncounted others perished in the harsh Siberian winter; the exiles were literally dumped in the open snowy fields and left to fend for themselves.

Russia had no intention of recognizing Chechen independence. The Kremlin's fears were understandable: With the Soviet Union crumbling, there was no reason the shaky Russian federation couldn't follow. Granting independence to one region could set off a chain reaction. What's more, an oil pipeline went through Chechnya, and a small amount of oil was produced in the republic itself, so losing Chechnya could have meant significant financial loss for Russia. President Boris Yeltsin declined even to negotiate with the Chechen separatists—a traditional Russian disdain for this Muslim people no doubt played a role in his decision—and simply let the problem fester for three years.

What drives the separatists to commit such terrible outrages?

There is no excuse for the travesty committed by these terrorists but it looks like Russia hasn't been too kind to these people for quite a long time

40 posted on 09/06/2004 5:27:47 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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