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In the Three Pennsylvanias
MSNBC News ^ | Sept 5, 2004 | George F. Will

Posted on 09/05/2004 1:15:34 PM PDT by Kuksool

PITTSBURGH—Re-ordained in Manhattan, George W. Bush headed for his 34th presidential visit to Pennsylvania. Tony Podesta dourly says Bush cabinet members are so thick on the Pennsylvania ground, "He could have a quorum for a cabinet meeting here." Podesta's job is to see that Bush's courtship of this state becomes, like Quasimodo's ardor for Esmeralda, a famous episode of unrequited love.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: battleground; georgefwill; gwb2004

1 posted on 09/05/2004 1:15:35 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: zbigreddogz; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; JohnnyZ; William Creel; AuH2ORepublican

The Keystone State is a state that we can't afford to blowoff. Sure, Bush may be re-elected without the Great Lakes states, but that is too close for comfort. If the GOP can win the Great Lakes states on a regular basis, then we would have an electoral lock on the political landscape for many years. Unfortunately, the strong presence of labor unions in the Midwest are preventing my dream from becoming true. There are too many social conservatives who obey the unions without much thought.


3 posted on 09/05/2004 1:25:09 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get Your Souls To The Polls In November)
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To: Kuksool

As I said in another thread: If the BC/'04 campaign want to put this thing away, work behind the scenes to help states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin put a referendum on gay marriage on the November 2 ballot. That will bring the conservatives out in droves and you can turn out the lights. The party WILL be over.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 1:34:50 PM PDT by no dems (I'm mad as Zell.)
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To: Kuksool

There is a fabulous story in the (EXtremely pro-Kerry) Philadelphia Inquirer today, with interviews with local voters. Both an undecided independent and a Democrat said they were solidly behind President Bush as a result of the two conventions, and even the pro-Kerry voter said she was left to hoping that Bush "stumbles through the debates." Nearly all the voters said they now expect President Bush to win. Even the letters to the Inquirer today were more pro-Bush than pro-Kerry. I have just moved to the Philly area, but it sure seems to me like the Democrats here seem to be in disarray. If Kerry cannot mobilize a heavy Democrat turnout in Philadelphia, he is not going to win Pennsylvania.


5 posted on 09/05/2004 1:38:48 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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To: no dems
I concur. Luckily, the MI courts have approved a gay marriage amendment vote on the Nov. ballot in MI. This should crank up the turnout among the Dutch Calvinists of Western MI.

Pennsylvania is winnable along with the other Great Lakes States (MN, OH, WI, MI)

4 issues are key: Abortion, Guns, Gay Marriage, and Islamic Terror.

GOP Economic issues (Outsourcing / Free Trade) are tough sells to socially conservative, union workers. This is why Kerry is polling so well in the Great Lakes. He is playing on the job security fears of Midwesterners. Bush needs to run on social issues.

If Bush runs a Pro-Life / Pro-Gun / Anti-Terror campaign, then he should be able to overcome the trash coming out of Detroit, Philly, St. Paul, Milwaukee, and Cleveland, by gleaning votes from the rest of the Midwest regions that are conservative.

Economic issues are NOT the way to go in the Great Lakes.
6 posted on 09/05/2004 1:41:30 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get Your Souls To The Polls In November)
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To: Kuksool
The maternal side of my family hails from the southwest corner, Fayette country, one of the poorest counties in the state. Honestly when you go there it looks much the same as it did 30 years ago. The only signs of prosperity are mansions that serve as getaway homes for the rich of Pittsburgh. Many will be voting Bush, a la Zel Miller. The strong eastern European roots & conservative orthodox populace appreciate Bush's support of the "New Europe" and his traditional values. Also a big elderly population there who appreciate the Medicare reform. Not much love lost between them and the Steelworkers Union in Pittsburgh, either.

My county is pretty solid Bush country, so I decided to put boots on the ground in Harrisburg. There is too much at stake and too much corrupt power in Philly not to give it 110% effort where it will have the most chance of impact.

7 posted on 09/05/2004 1:44:21 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

In 2000, Gore was able to carry PA and MI because he managed to mobilize the minority communities in Detroit and Philly to flock to the polls for you. This time around, minorities are cool to Kerry. They see him as a rich, elist white man. Votes for Kerry are more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry. As result, the huge minority turnout that Gore received may not materialize for Kerry.


8 posted on 09/05/2004 1:48:35 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get Your Souls To The Polls In November)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

I hope BC'04 is all over Philly like a cheap suit. There are too many precincts with voting machines in someone's basement and a 102% voter turnout. You can bet Rendell getting slot machines in PA is going to "energize the Dem base" in Philly and the Mafia's reward money will be greasing the voting machine levers.


9 posted on 09/05/2004 1:49:38 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: Kuksool

{flock to the polls for you.}

Correction: flock to the polls for him.


10 posted on 09/05/2004 1:51:22 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get Your Souls To The Polls In November)
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To: Kuksool

I am originally from Philadelphia (Manayunk) but I live in Florida now after retiring from 22 years USN. A lot of Philly folks get hypnotized by the Dems because most hold on to the old democrats values. I think Zell Miller did a lot to convince swing voters and some Dems in Philly that the party is not what it once was. Especially..not this new progressive crap.... but... the true patriotic spirit has always been alive in the city of brotherly love and that Patriotic spirit will definately shift to GW come NOV. How could they possibly vote for Kerry after they see his 1971 testimony... Philadelphia needs to be a key advertising area for the swifties #2 video.... It hits home in a lot of ways in Philly.


11 posted on 09/05/2004 2:26:39 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Do not let the UN make decisions for the protection of the United States... VOTE for George W. Bush)
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To: Sisku Hanne

"....The maternal side of my family hails from the southwest corner, Fayette country, one of the poorest counties in the state.."

My mother grew up in Point Marion, on Blosser Hill. (Along with 4 siblings and a chronically ill mother, in a 2-room shack with one coal stove in the kitchen for heat, one coal-oil lamp in each room for light, and no indoor plumbing.) Wonder if we're related??


12 posted on 09/05/2004 4:24:24 PM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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bump from a PA-born FReeper


13 posted on 09/05/2004 6:42:49 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Sisku Hanne

Sisku, I just got home from your great state 2 hours ago. We are looking to live in the Mechanisburg'Camp Hill, area - SOON. My husband moved to CA several years ago and is not happy here. The schools in PA are so much nicer, and it is so green. We also visited Pittsburg where my daughter will attend school.

I was AMAZED at the number of Bush/Cheney stickers on the vehicles as well as the lawn signs that appeared to adorn every major road. They far outnumbered the Kerry signs.


14 posted on 09/05/2004 6:48:08 PM PDT by merry10
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To: merry10

merry, I grew up near Pittsburgh, and still have many family members near there. My stepmother lived in Camp Hill for years.

Much of PA is Conservative, but there will always be enough voters in the cemeteries in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to keep the state solidly Dem.


15 posted on 09/05/2004 7:23:39 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Willie Green; Mo1; ..

ping


16 posted on 09/05/2004 7:27:30 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: merry10
I was AMAZED at the number of Bush/Cheney stickers on the vehicles as well as the lawn signs that appeared to adorn every major road. They far outnumbered the Kerry signs.

Someone stole ours down here in York but that isn't going to change that York County is 65% to 70% Bush and most of the Kerry votes is Dem folks from Merryland.

17 posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:09 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: speekinout

My daughter will attend Western PA school for the Deaf which is a very, very good school for deaf kids. I am so excited. As I flew into LAX yesterday I was amazed at the LACK of greenery here. I hope we can all meet.


18 posted on 09/06/2004 9:18:19 AM PDT by merry10
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To: Kuksool

The key will be voters in western Pennsylvania. It's filled with nominal Democrats who are socially conservative and pro-military, but strongly anti-free trade and pro-union. Bush made some inroads in 2000, but was defeated by a huge Gore margin & turnout in Philadelphia.


19 posted on 09/08/2004 6:28:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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