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Kerry - Pardoned by Carter in 1977? - Research<p>
Various | 9/5/04 | Tacis

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:43 AM PDT by Tacis

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To: Calpernia

They would have covered anything other that personal and property crimes, and maybe even those, if the presdent so willed.


61 posted on 09/05/2004 8:43:34 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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>>>No. Going AWOL isn't a violation of the Selective Service Act (the draft).

>>>They would have covered anything other that personal and property crimes, and maybe even those, if the presdent so willed.


I'm so confused :(


62 posted on 09/05/2004 8:46:22 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Tacis
BUPERSMAN is the Naval Bureau of Personnel Management.

3830300 is probably 3830.300 which is no longer searchable on mil.net.

63 posted on 09/05/2004 8:49:06 AM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Less carrot, more STICK!)
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To: Calpernia

Bump!


64 posted on 09/05/2004 8:53:40 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tacis

Edwards DOB: 10 Jun 53
Cheney DOB : 31 Jan 40

In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to
an All-Volunteer military.

Edwards turned 18 in 1971.
John Edwards COULD have served during Vietnam BUT didn't.

Instead he went to college from '70-'74
He enrolled at Clemson University
but dropped out in his first year,
after a football scholarship fell through

"...A proud product of public schools, John became the first person in his family to attend college.
He worked his way through North Carolina State University where he graduated with high honors in 1974,
and then earned a law degree with honors in 1977 from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. .."
http://www.johnedwards2004.com/john_edwards.asp

"I will not have my commitment to defending this country questioned
by those who refused to serve when they had had a chance"
Kerry at a campaign stop in Ohio on 09/03/04

John Kerry's role model
Phony Vietnam vet Al Hubbard
head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War
The New Soldier BY John Kerry
FREE, read it on line right now!
http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Questions for Senator Kerry!

1) Are you going to dump Edwards as your VP
because he didn't serve when he could have?

2) How's Al Hubbard now-a-days?
Is he getting ready to hit your campaign trail?

3) Is it true Jane Fonda is coming out to?


65 posted on 09/05/2004 8:54:38 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: Tacis
HERE is BUPERS On-Line, but it is accessible by authorized personnel only.
66 posted on 09/05/2004 8:55:22 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Tacis

RESIGNATION
Resignation request procedures and formats are contained in BUPERSMAN 3830320 and BUPERSMAN 3830340. The retiring officer should forward the request to Officer Personnel 9-12 months before the desired detachment month, along with a smooth endorsement prepared by the Division, for the Personnel Officer to sign by direction (see CORRESPONDENCE). Format for the endorsement may be found in BUPERSMAN 3830340. After the request is approved by BUPERS and separation orders are received, the resigning member should:
1. Contact Officer Personnel at least 90 days before the resignation date to arrange an appointment to review the Pre-separation Counseling Checklist (DD Form 2648). This counseling is most effective if it is scheduled after the member has attended the Transition Assistance Program at the Family Service Center.
2. Contact CSD, Annapolis to discuss separation processing.
3. Schedule a separation physical through the Naval Medical Clinic 6-12 months before the detachment date.
Refer to the CHECK-OUTsection for more information about departure processing.
Voluntarily separating personnel are NOT eligible for Permissive Temporary Duty for job/house hunting.

The New Bupers Codes
In conjunction with the move, many offices within Pers-2 (Military Personnel Policy and Career Progression) have been reorganized, affecting the codes to which personnel correspondence should be addressed. Per NAVADMIN 278/97, a partial listing of the new codes to be used effective this month includes:
FUNCTION OLD CODE NEW CODE
In-service procurement and resignations Pers-25 Pers-81
Active duty promotions and advancements Pers-26 Pers-82
Retirements, Fleet Reserve Pers-27 Pers-82
Accordingly, if you are submitting correspondence to change your designator or augment, address it to Pers-811. (per NAVADMIN 98/98, applications for the next board are due by 1 August 98.) Resignation requests should now carry Pers-813C vice Pers-253C; retirement requests should indicate Pers-82 vice Pers-27. Since the detailer codes were not affected, letters to change your PRD should still carry the appropriate Pers-4 detailer code.


For more info on retirement see http://www.troa.org and
For more on Naval reserves see http://www.navy.mil/navesfor


67 posted on 09/05/2004 8:57:19 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: Tacis; Ed_in_NJ
OK, here you go:

BUPERSMAN = Naval Bureau of Personnel Manual

At some point since 1978, the numbering system was changed, so 3830300 is now 1920-160.

1920-160
Separation of Naval Reserve Officers on Inactive Duty
PERS-91
The Governing Directive is SECNAVINST 1920.6A

http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1920-160.htm

A PDF of SECNAVINST 1920.6A is located at:

dont.stanford.edu/regulations/secnav.pdfAn interesting point in the directive is:

"6. Background. Once an individual has legally accepted a commission or warrant as a Regular or Reserve officer in the Navy or Marine Corps and has executed the oath of of- fice, he or she has acquired a legal status which continues until it is terminated through a specific, legally authorized process. Neither retirement nor release from active duty affects an individual?s status as a commissioned or warrant officer until the officer?s commission or warrant has been terminated.

68 posted on 09/05/2004 8:57:38 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Tacis

69 posted on 09/05/2004 8:59:32 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: tiki

At one point I also wondered if Kerry might have been an informant. But, like you said, he surely would have announced this when the ads appeared, and it doesn't make sense that he would save this for an October surprise.


70 posted on 09/05/2004 9:08:01 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Tacis

71 posted on 09/05/2004 9:08:32 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: cookcounty
"inactive" means just that, you don't have to do anything at all, just keep your address up to date.

It's been a lot of years ago but I served 4 years active duty and then was two years in inactive reserve. I did not receive a dd214 until after that period. I was told at that time that officers were in the inactive reserve for life.. Any truth to that?

Also, when I enlisted I had just turned 18 years old and the recruiter told me there was no need to register for the draft. After 4 years active duty I came home and within a month I was drafted. The notice was very pointed that I was being drafted because I had never registered.

It was a red tape nightmare getting out of that. After 4 years of military life I was sick of it. I finally convinced the draft board that I had done my time and they eventualy quit bothering me.

72 posted on 09/05/2004 9:08:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Graybeard - Illinois resident - Keyes voter)
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To: crushelits

What are those images? The type is too small for me to read, except it looks as if it's something from the UK.


73 posted on 09/05/2004 9:08:38 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Tacis

btt


74 posted on 09/05/2004 9:12:12 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Dante3


>>>At one point I also wondered if Kerry might have been an informant. But, like you said, he surely would have announced this when the ads appeared, and it doesn't make sense that he would save this for an October surprise.

There are CIA in Communist Party believe. No one and I mean no one comes out of the cold. Then goes public. That is a death sentence.


75 posted on 09/05/2004 9:14:02 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Graybeard58
I was told at that time that officers were in the inactive reserve for life.. Any truth to that?

SECNAV INSTRUCTION 1920.6A
From: Secretary of the Navy
To: All Ships and Stations
Subj: Administrative Separation of Officers

1. Resignation
a. General. Officers serve at the pleasure of the President, and no terminal dates are established for their commissions. The Secretary of the Navy, by virtue of his authority to act for the President, may establish such criteria for the voluntary resignation of an officer's commission as deemed necessary for the maintenance of a sound officer corps.

76 posted on 09/05/2004 9:16:03 AM PDT by angkor
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To: cookcounty
As I've posted a couple times above from the official directive, commissioned officers remain commissioned officers until officially released by the Secretary Of The Navy under direct authority of the President.
77 posted on 09/05/2004 9:22:12 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Tacis

Web Results   (What's this?)

http://www.jmf.navy.mil/Download/MUC.doc  [Microsoft Word]
ADMINISTRATIVE REMARKS. NAVPERS 1070/613 (Rev. 1-76) S/N 0106-LF-010-6990 SEE BUPERSMAN 5030420. SHIP OR STATION
http://www.jmf.navy.mil/Download/MUC.doc  -  1 MB

resignation
... procedures and formats are contained in BUPERSMAN 3830320 and BUPERSMAN 3830340. The retiring officer should ... the endorsement may be found in BUPERSMAN 3830340. After the request is ...
http://www.nadn.navy.mil/OfficerPersonnel/resignation.htm  -  5 KB

retresg
RETIREMENT AND RESIGNATION. RETIREMENT. Retirement request procedures and formats are contained in MILPERSMAN 1810-020. ... procedures and formats are contained in BUPERSMAN 3830320 and BUPERSMAN 3830340. The retiring officer should ... the endorsement may be found in BUPERSMAN 3830340. After the request is ...
http://www.nadn.navy.mil/OfficerPersonnel/retresg.htm  -  9 KB

 


78 posted on 09/05/2004 9:27:03 AM PDT by crushelits
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To: angkor
We need the information from the 1970s. Current information might not apply.

Are there any freeper Yeomen, Personnel Clerks, or JAG officers, from the 1970s?
79 posted on 09/05/2004 9:28:29 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: angkor
"Neither retirement nor release from active duty affects an individual?s status as a commissioned or warrant officer until the officer?s commission or warrant has been terminated."

Thought so.
And why then wasn't he recalled and slapped down at the time??

80 posted on 09/05/2004 9:36:51 AM PDT by norton
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