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Speech: Shaken President Putin: "We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten."
My Way News ^ | Sep 4, 8:21 PM (ET) | By MIKE ECKEL

Posted on 09/05/2004 1:16:11 AM PDT by N. Beaujon

BESLAN, Russia (AP) - A shaken President Vladimir Putin made a rare and candid admission of Russian weakness Saturday in the face of an "all-out war" by terrorists after more than 340 people - nearly half of them children - were killed in a hostage-taking at a southern school.

Putin went on national television to tell Russians they must mobilize against terrorism. He promised wide-ranging reforms to toughen security forces and purge corruption.

"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," he said in a speech aimed at addressing the grief, shock and anger felt by many after a string of attacks that have killed some 450 people in the past two weeks, apparently in connection with the war in Chechnya.

Shocked relatives wandered among row after row of bodies lined up in black or clear plastic body bags on the pavement at a morgue in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, where the dead from the school standoff in the town of Beslan were taken. In some open bags lay the contorted, thin bodies of children, some monstrously charred.

In Beslan, people scoured lists of names to see if their loved ones survived the chaos of the day before, when the standoff turned violent Friday as militants set off explosives in the school and commandos moved in to seize the building.

Beslan residents were allowed to enter the burned-out husk that was once the gymnasium of School No. 1, where more than 1,000 hostages were held during the 62-hour ordeal that started Wednesday. The gym's roof was destroyed, windows shattered, walls pocked with bullet holes.

Regional Emergency Situations Minister Boris Dzgoyev said 323 people, including 156 children, were killed. More than 540 people were wounded - mostly children. Medical officials said 448 people, including 248 children, remained hospitalized Saturday evening.

Dzgoyev also said 35 attackers - heavily-armed and explosive-laden men and women reportedly demanding independence for the Chechen republic - were killed in 10 hours of battles that shook the area around the school with gunfire and explosions.

Putin made a quick visit to the town before dawn Saturday, meeting local officials and touring a hospital to speak with wounded. He stopped to stroke the head of an injured child.

But some in the region were unimpressed, as grief turned to anger, both at the militants and the government response.

Marat Avsarayev, a 44-year-old taxi driver in Vladikavkaz, questioned why Putin and other politicians didn't "even think about fulfilling the (militants') demands to save the lives of the children. Probably because it wasn't their children here."

During his visit to Beslan, Putin stressed that security officials had not planned to storm the school - trying to fend off potential criticism that the government side provoked the bloodshed. He ordered the region's borders closed while officials searched for anyone connected to the attack.

"What happened was a terrorist act that was inhuman and unprecedented in its cruelty," Putin said in his televised speech later. "It is a challenge not to the president, the parliament and the government but a challenge to all of Russia, to all of our people. It is an attack on our nation."

Including the school disaster, more than 450 people have been killed in the past two weeks in violence. Two planes crashed nearly simultaneously on Aug. 24, killing 90 people, and a suicide bomber killed eight people in Moscow on Tuesday. Chechen separatists are suspected in both attacks.

Putin took a defiant tone, acknowledging Russia's weaknesses but blaming it on the fall of the Soviet Union, foreign foes seeking to tear apart Russia and on corrupt officials. He said Russians could no longer live "carefree" and must all confront terrorism.

Measures would be taken, Putin promised, to overhaul the law enforcement organs, which he acknowledged had been infected by corruption, and tighten borders.

"We are obliged to create a much more effective security system and to demand action from our law enforcement organs that would be adequate to the level and scale of the new threats," he said.

An unidentified intelligence official was quoted by the ITAR-Tass news agency as saying the school assault was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, an Arab who allegedly represents al-Qaida in Chechnya, and masterminded by Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.

Also, the Federal Security Service chief in North Ossetia, Valery Andreyev, said Saturday that investigators were looking into whether militants had smuggled explosives and weapons into the school and hid them during a renovation this summer.

It was still unclear exactly how the standoff fell apart into bloodshed at 1 p.m. on Friday. Officials say security forces were forced to act when hostage-takers set off explosives. But some questioned that version.

The militants seized the school on the first day of classes Wednesday, herding hundreds of children, parents who had been dropping their kids off, and other adults into the gymnasium, which the militants promptly wired with explosives - including bombs hanging from the basketball hoops. The packed gym became sweltering, and the hostage-takers refused to allow in food or water.

One survivor, Sima Albegova, told the Kommersant newspaper she asked the militants why the captives were taken. "Because you vote for your Putin," one militant told her, she said.

Another freed hostage said a militant told her, "If Putin doesn't withdraw forces from Chechnya and doesn't free our arrested brothers, we'll blow everything up," according to the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.

Russian officials said the violence began when explosions were apparently set off by the militants - possibly by accident - as emergency workers entered the school courtyard to collect the bodies of hostages killed in the initial raid Wednesday.

Diana Gadzhinova, 14, said the militants ordered her and other hostages to lie face down in the gymnasium as the bodies were collected.

"They told us that there were going to be talks," she was quoted as telling Iszvestia. Others also told of how militants appeared to be confused and surprised at the initial explosions.

Hostages fled during the blasts, and the militants shot at them, prompting security forces to open fire and commandos to move in, officials said.

The explosions tore through the roof of the gymnasium, sending wreckage down on hostages and killing many. Many survivors emerged naked, covered in ashes and soot, their feet bloody from jumping barefoot out of broken windows to escape.

With families gathering for wakes for the dead Saturday, some were vowing vengeance.

"Fathers will bury their children, and after 40 days (the Orthodox mourning period) ... they will take up weapons and seek revenge," said Alan Kargiyev, a 20-year-old university student in Vladikavkaz.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chechan; chechnya; fascists; islamo; islamonuts; ossetia; putin; retribution; speech; vladimir
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To: N. Beaujon; All

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21 posted on 09/05/2004 2:09:05 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Triskaidekaphobia ? Never heard of it !)
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To: N. Beaujon
That's what I think drives Putin, pure self absorbtion.

The consolidation of power and the elimination of dissent which has been going on in Russia, sometimes in the name of national security, is all about Putin.

22 posted on 09/05/2004 2:21:22 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: N. Beaujon

I think your accusation of Putin as just a self-absorbed, out for himself leader is wrong, and based on no proof other than what you feel like saying about him. I saw him patting a child on the head, touching another child in a white sack that appeared to be dead, and the man is also a Russian Orthodox believer (he and Bush discussed their religious inclinations with each other at one of their meetings, I think at Crawford). So don't impugn the man as heartless when you don't have a clue as to what he thinks. I think Putin is for his country, a nationalist, and loves his motherland. He is a Russian before anything else, and I think you are the one being heartless here, about Putin. Give the guy a break. He's got a lot to deal with in the coming days.


23 posted on 09/05/2004 2:37:36 AM PDT by flaglady47
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To: goldstategop
Russia is still hankering for the lost days when it was a superpower under the Soviet Union. They have to rethink their military strategy and come to terms with the fact they no longer are the equal of the United States in terms of sheer military power. Today Russia has worse enemies and America is the least on the minds of the men who rule in The Kremlin now.

Yes, but Putin has been fighting the Chechens for decades. He has to know they are a worse enemy than the US. Do you think that he still thinks we are even his enemy? I mean, do you think that he doesnt "get" that socialism is dead? I'm not sure he's the type that gives a darn about socialism, I think he's a pure capitalist in that he understands opportunism. (No offense to capitalism, believe me.)

Maybe he still knows we have active counter agents with Russia but so do they. Heck, we have them with out own allies, so I'm hard pressed to believe he thinks the US and capitalism is more of a threat to Russia (or should I say Putin) than the Islamo nuts that threaten every corridor of the present Russia and former Soviet Union.

I mean what was Yugoslavia all about? Milosovich trying to rid the former Yugoslavia of, again, a bunch of Muslim "rebels." You think maybe we got Milosovitch wrong? The jury in my mind is still out on that one. And what about the PKK, you think maybe Turkey knew what it was doing in blowing up those PKK villages and the US might have been a bit naive in protecting the TURKISH "kurds" (a Marxist-Leninist terrorist group of "kurdish" separatists, supported by Iran, Iraq, and Syria.)

But then this on my part is pure speculation and if so a view of history that has NOT yet been written and probably, except in the smallest of circles, not even been spoken. So I expect to get blasted for such an insensitive perspective on our 20th century victims who, in retrospect, might not have been so meek and unassuming after all. In short, maybe Milosovich was onto something after all (maybe that's why it's taken them 10 years to try him in the Hague. Maybe no one wants the world to hear what HE has to say.) But I digress.
24 posted on 09/05/2004 2:38:01 AM PDT by N. Beaujon (sera@ix.netcom.com)
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To: wideminded
The consolidation of power and the elimination of dissent which has been going on in Russia, sometimes in the name of national security, is all about Putin.

That has always been the story of Russia. It's always been the story of the USSR. This is the first time in history where the world gets to watch what is going on in Russia, so dissent has not been eliminated. My stepbrother is a journalist there, by the way, dissent has not been eliminated. The days of state run Pravda are gone.

If dissent had been eliminated in the name of national security, the chechnan's would not be here. Remember what triggered their rampage was an actual free election. True, it was Russia's idea of what was free but it seems to me that it was the Chechens who were eliminating dissent. Or are you suggesting that the Chechen style of dissent is of the type that should be tolerated?
25 posted on 09/05/2004 2:52:56 AM PDT by N. Beaujon (sera@ix.netcom.com)
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To: N. Beaujon
Has Kerry even mentioned this once

I'm sure we'll be hearing from him shortly after we hear the expressions of outrage from the Children's Defense Fund.

26 posted on 09/05/2004 3:03:52 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (I'd loan him the money to buy a clue, but he wouldn't know what to do with one.)
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To: N. Beaujon

There is one word missing in Putin's dramatic speech, however.

VENGEANCE!!!


27 posted on 09/05/2004 3:25:43 AM PDT by bgarid
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To: N. Beaujon

Not sure how much footage of this tragedy is being shown in the US, but EURO news, which is my only source of TV news, showed about 5 minutes of what they call "No Comment" news on the aftermath. It is beyond heartbreaking to watch as the camera slowly pans across an endless row of dead children, killed in the most violent manner, after spending days in agonizing terror. If anyone thinks Kerry has some creative way to solve this they are mistaken. There is no creative way of stopping this short of killing anyone and everyone who conducts this kind of terror. These people are psychotics who have found a venue for their mental illness. It appears the Russians may have finally realized it. I don't expect the French ever will.


28 posted on 09/05/2004 3:34:22 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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To: Casloy

The Washington Post has a good article on the chaos. One problem was that the citizens got in the army's way. Also, townspeople killed a captured terrorist before he could be questioned and almost killed a prosecutor they mistook for a terrorist. As one Russian scholar said, it will be a big present to the terrorists if this starts an ethnic war. Putin wants this not to degenerate into genocidal civil war. The Chechens do not all support these extremists. One effect of the extremists actions may be to force the Chechens into a more radical position because they are getting killed by the Russians. The terrorists have to be captured and dealt with, but many Chechens don't like to live under the terrorsts either.

"One guerrilla was set upon by civilians and killed. "People got a hold of him and just tore him apart," said one of the soldiers. But the soldiers noted that the crowd's hatred was blind and they attempted to kill a Russian prosecutor, mistaken for a guerrilla.
"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62459-2004Sep4_4.html


29 posted on 09/05/2004 3:51:55 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: N. Beaujon
Putin being former KGB gives insight into a bully. When he had a secret organization around him he seemed strong. Now that he has to lead and is out there on his own he seems to have no strength or ability to lead.

His response to the loss of the Kursk ought to have given us a clue. He stayed on vacation, was helpless to do or say the right thing at the time.

There have been apartment house bombings and other horrific acts of terror that have gone unpunished.

The man seems clueless and powerless.

30 posted on 09/05/2004 3:53:27 AM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Good post.....about an satanic deed.
31 posted on 09/05/2004 3:59:07 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: N. Beaujon

He should not have promised not to attack.


32 posted on 09/05/2004 4:01:34 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Scum of the planet islamists.

So feces can be graded now?

33 posted on 09/05/2004 4:02:44 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (Give 'um hell Zell)
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To: Casloy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61422-2004Sep4.html

This is another good article. There appear to be disagreement as to whether or not there were Arab terrorists involved as opposed to say Chechens, Inguish, etc.. Some townspeople say there were no Arabs. They say the government is lying. A lot of people are blaming Putin's government.

Zawahiri (Al Qaeda high official) seems to have claimed credit.


34 posted on 09/05/2004 4:04:56 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: ProudVet77

"On the other hand I wish him luck on taking out terrorists. Perhaps he could squeeze Iran. Not sure what else he can do, the Russian Army has already proven they can't win in Chechnya."

The Russian army cannot win anywhere.


35 posted on 09/05/2004 4:08:49 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: LayoutGuru2
Please consider making a donation for the families

Already did ($100). I hope this is a legitimate charity...

Another donation I'd like to make is pig fat to be used to coat the Russian munitions that'll hopefully be raining down chechnya

36 posted on 09/05/2004 4:11:32 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: Snapple

Interesting how this is act of terror is taking on twists. France and Germany have been working on an alliance with Russia against the US...Putin blaming this on the fall of the Soviet Union. The Euroscum slant on this will be interesting, especially in the German and French press....I will not be surprised at all to see reports that somehow this is GWB's and the US fault.....

Note to Euroscum: the people of the US will not say that Russia deserved this terrorist attack as you did with the US 9-11.


37 posted on 09/05/2004 4:15:52 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: goldstategop

I agree. Putin is a good man. They only need to shed the cold war overhead and the army will be just fine.


38 posted on 09/05/2004 4:16:23 AM PDT by BobS
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To: xzins

The Russian authorities did not plan to storm the school. There was a lot of chaos because the townspeople all had guns and wouldn't get out of the way.

People in the school think an explosion was set off by a terrorist by accident. When the kids ran, the terrorists shot at them. Then the Russians gave covering fire. They had no choice then.

Here is an article that says they did not plan to "storm" the school. A doctor named Roshal who has been involved in handling other terrorist attacks said nobody wanted to storm the school.

Everyone wanted to negotiate.

http://www.rambler.ru/db/news/msg.html?s=260005085&mid=5003793


39 posted on 09/05/2004 4:17:56 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: Snapple

It turns out that a planned attack would have been the best thing....at least...no worse a thing.


40 posted on 09/05/2004 4:19:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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