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Alan Keyes teaches sex education lesson to homosexual interviewer (possible transcript)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | 9-4-2004 | Mary Mostert

Posted on 09/04/2004 3:25:40 PM PDT by outlawcam

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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Ofiscated? Do you mean obfuscated?


61 posted on 09/04/2004 5:34:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (The enemy is among us; he is us; we know it, we dare not say it - someone will be offended.)
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To: vpintheak
Smart, religious and a great debator. No wonder Obama doesn't want to debate him.

Keyes is a judgmental, holier-than-thou demagogue who isn't satisfied to just challenge differing views but has to characterize all those who disagree with him as evil.

He even labeled Bush as evil during the stem cell controversy.

My bet is Obama would LOVE to debate Keyes, because the comparison to Keye's seriously flawed personality will make Obama look EVEN more likable.

And I doubt Obama is worried about debating a terrible politician who never manages to get more than 21% of the vote.

62 posted on 09/04/2004 5:36:49 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ThirstyMan
Sounds like an exchange between Jesus and the "experts on the Law".

I have the same impression.

63 posted on 09/04/2004 5:49:44 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Jorge
Keyes is a judgmental, holier-than-thou demagogue . . .

I guess that makes you one of the more "tolerant" folks in the world. Congratulations.

64 posted on 09/04/2004 5:53:45 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: garbanzo
. . . when people in the liberal, feeling-oriented part have formed a mutual obfuscation society . . .

. . . it's time for people in the conservative, thoughtful part to form a mutual declaration of facts society. Don't count on the MSM!

65 posted on 09/04/2004 5:58:54 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ThirstyMan
Sounds like an exchange between Jesus and the "experts on the Law".

Where does it sound like that?

Jesus reprimanded the "experts on the Law" for their self-righteous, judgmental application of the law which was completely lacking in compassion and mercy.

If there is ANY comparison at all, Keyes would be on the wrong side of the exchange.

67 posted on 09/04/2004 6:03:52 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ThirstyMan
Homosexuals are essentially incapable of procreation. They cannot mate. They are not made to do so. Therefore the idea of marriage for two such individuals is an absurdity."

The fact is many heterosexual couples are also incapable of procreation.
Is their marriage therefore an "absurdity"?

Keyes' arguments are weak. This is NOT the main reason why marriage is reserved for a man and a woman.

69 posted on 09/04/2004 6:11:25 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I guess that makes you one of the more "tolerant" folks in the world. Congratulations.

Actually it makes me on of the folks who remembers Jesus saying "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy".

70 posted on 09/04/2004 6:15:01 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
This is NOT the main reason why marriage is reserved for a man and a woman.

And what is 'the main reason'?

Please be precise.

71 posted on 09/04/2004 6:16:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter

... incidence and essence...


72 posted on 09/04/2004 6:16:31 PM PDT by IncPen (Every Word From Kerry's Mouth is a Dishonorable Discharge)
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To: Javelina
Simple.
Incident: having your arm cut off in an accident or having a deaf child.
Essence: deliberately cutting off your arm or shopping for a deaf person's sperm so your child will be deaf.
73 posted on 09/04/2004 6:18:28 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: Javelina
I've made the induction that being a "sexual hedonist" is bad. He would be against sex that is strictly for the purpose of sexual pleasure, rather than to raise children. This seems to be indicated by the context of his statements.

Here's how the conversation began:
Signorile's second sentence was: "What did you think of Vice President Cheney last week coming out and saying he doesn't agree with the President on the Federal Marriage Amendment? Seems to be a break with the party. Do you think he is sending a mixed signal?"
Alan Keyes, amiably replied: "I don't know. I think he is entitled to his personal convictions, but I think that the party's position is the correct one.
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Seems to be clear that Alan Keyes is sticking with the Party's definition of marriage. Alan Keyes is not going out of his way to condemn those who practise various other forms of sexual pleasuring, only as they pertain to being defined as marriage.
The interviewer here is drawing him out [as he does to many others], placing his own definitions in Keyes' mouth, trying to trick him into agreeing with him.

It didn't work. In this regard it reminded me of those who taunted Jesus to get him to say something damning which they could use to condemn him. Mr. Signorile went home frustrated with Mr. Keyes.
The best he was able to do, was to take his own comment about Vice President Cheney's daughter, as being a "selfish hedonist" out of its context and attribute that statement to Mr. Keyes.
That much is pretty obvious isn't it?

75 posted on 09/04/2004 6:25:50 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: EternalVigilance
And what is 'the main reason'? Please be precise.

The "main reason" can be found in the words of Jesus and His reference to the book of Genesis and God's created intent when if came to man, woman and marriage.

As Bill Bennet said;"Marriage is not an arbitrary construct which can be redefined simply by those who lay claim to it.Broadening the definition of marriage to include same-sex unions would stretch it almost beyond recognition--and new attempts to expand the definition still farther would surely follow."

Keyes argues that homosexuals should not marry because they cannot have children.

Well polygamist can procreate.
Does that mean marrying multiple wives is OK?
Keyes' argument is flawed.

76 posted on 09/04/2004 6:29:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Jesus reprimanded the "experts on the Law" for their self-righteous, judgmental application of the law which was completely lacking in compassion and mercy.

If there is ANY comparison at all, Keyes would be on the wrong side of the exchange.

Well, no, not really. Ya see, Jesus understood the meaning behind the text, the true "spirit" of the law. Keyes did not miss it. The grace of marriage extends to the two (that being the man and the woman) who will become one. So, by the given text we have x + y = 1. Don't see x + x = 1 or y + y =1. If we want to say x + x or y + y is =1, well then we can certainly say that. Just note that it is we (not God) who is saying it!

78 posted on 09/04/2004 6:32:44 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves..........)
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To: Javelina
I'm with you. I find it odd - and more than a little bit disturbing - that people here would compare any man with Jesus.
79 posted on 09/04/2004 6:34:28 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (God bless Senator Zell Miller.)
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To: Javelina
They have deliberately married someone whom they know cannot have children, so they have met your definition of "essence."

That isn't really my definition of "essence" - it's my definition, or example, of "incident". Having a male and a female is essential to human reproduction. The accident of sterility of either partner doesn't change that essential fact. Having two people of the same sex is essentially non-reproductive - it doesn't just "happen" that the couple is sterile - it's sterile by design. You could look at it this way - if we devise of method of curing sterility, the sterile heterosexual couple can then reproduce but nothing more than a wholesale change in the human animal will allow a homosexual couple to reproduce with each other.

80 posted on 09/04/2004 6:37:13 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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