Lando 
Posted on 09/04/2004 7:38:11 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
Lando
The Russians should just let the Chechans go and let them start their own third world sewer country. They are not worth the price of holding on. There is nothing there.
They should just cut their losses now and get outta Dodge.
Fox just reported 355 dead, at least 122 of them children. Bodies of 20 terrorists lying in the courtyard and at least 8 others killed. Majority of injuries were from explosions, but many children were shot in the back.
Check history. It is necessary to de-humanize your enemy so when you begin killing them with reckless abandon, it’s just like shooting beer cans off a fence post. Muslims, islamofacists, anyone that even looks toward Mecca once during the day have a toe over the line. The west won’t have to fire up the propaganda machine to accomplish the necessary de-humanizing. They are doing it for us.
Just makes you wonder how much more the west will take before we start shooting those beer cans off the fence.
What? This atrocity is not about Chechnya. This atrocity is just another battle in the global war being waged by islamo-fascists. We better wage back.
Good article...and it does explain some things...
The Chechans do not want freedom , they want to start an Islamic state to attack other states.
If Russia retreats from these butchers she will never have peace on her borders.
These weren't freedom fighters..they were Islamofascist terrorists attacking children in a region with many Orthodox Christians..There were arabs in the mix of terrorists....They are allied with Al Queda.
The atrocity ISN'T about 155 children dead? I thought it was.
Oh well, I guess you and I view the world with two very different spectacles.
These attacks on Russia are just a prerequisite to attacking the U.S.
If Russia gives in to these terrorists then it will just prove that their tactics are successful in bringing down a once 'super power' and will enable them to carry out more attacks on the U.S.
Appeasement will never work when you are dealing with a terrorist who's only real purpose is to topple the 'non-muslim' societies.
The politically correct politicians are going to get us all killed......just hide and watch if you don't believe it.
No, I don't think that is an option right now we don't need to give these SCUM a new place to hide.
Agreed.
155 children dead? I dunno. I can't get past that. Sorry. I will foam at the mouth later, after I can past the 155 dead children. But then, I would mourn even 15 dead children...even five, even one.
I guess I'm just a sentimental old fool. I mourn with the parents now. And will THUMBS UP whatever retaliation, pay-back, retribution and revenge Putin comes forth with.
Reminds me of Northern Ireland too much I think.
The islamists have created the genesis of their own destruction. They are now "fair game."
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
Saturday, September 4, 2004 · Last updated 7:51 a.m. PT
Putin promises tougher response to terror
By JUDITH INGRAM
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
MOSCOW -- Russian President Vladimir Putin promised a tougher response to terrorism Saturday, saying in a surprising admission of weakness that the Soviet Union's collapse had left the country unable to react to attacks. "Weak people are beaten," he warned.
The former KGB spy said in a televised address to the nation that terrorists are waging an "all-out war" against Russia. He said he would enact reforms to make security services more effective, tighten border controls and establish a new system to control the situation in the war-torn Caucasus.
Earlier, Putin sealed the borders of North Ossetia, the republic where more than 340 people were killed in a hostage-taking at a school that turned violent Friday. The hostage-taking was carried out by militants seeking independence for Chechnya, where Russian troops have been battling separatists on and off for more than a decade.
Putin vowed never to give in to international terrorists, and that in order to fight them, Russians could not continue living in a "carefree" way.
He blamed police corruption and porous borders for the failure to stop attacks and called for mobilizing the nation before what he called the "common danger" of terrorism.
"In general, we need to admit that we did not show an understanding of the complexities and dangers of the processes occurring in our own country and in the world," he said.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the nation was weakened and unable to respond effectively to terrorism, Putin said.
"We stopped giving enough attention to questions of defense and security, and allowed corruption to infect our judicial and law enforcement sphere," he said.
"Moreover, our country - which used to have the strongest defense system of its external borders - instantly became unprotected from either the West or the East."
"In any case, we couldn't adequately react ... We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," he said.
Putin made a lightning pre-dawn visit to Beslan, the town where the school is located and announced the closing of the region's borders while authorities search for the attackers' accomplices. Later Saturday, he decreed two days of mourning on Monday and Tuesday.
"I ask you to remember those who died at the hands of terrorists in recent days," he said in his address.
He said measures would be taken to strengthen Russia's unity, create a more effective crisis management system, establish a new system to control the situation in the Caucasus, and overhaul the law enforcement organs.
"We are obliged to create a much more effective security system and to demand action from our law enforcement organs that would be adequate to the level and scale of the new threats," he said.
Putin said some foes wanted to tear off parts of Russia, and others were helping them.
"They help, supposing that Russia - as one of the greatest nuclear powers - still poses a threat to them. So they have to get rid of that threat."
Better late than never I guess.
Russia didn't believe it wouldn't be attacked because it didn't support the U.S. in Iraq.
Big Mistake.
France too.
Getting out of Dodge is worth it if "Dodge" is a useless piece of shit not worth having.
The Russians finally cut their losses by bailing outta Afghanistan. I can't see them staying in Chechnya. It's a wasteland of ignorance and violence with NO visible resources at all. Why keep a shithole?
Perhaps you are right, however. Bailing isn't an option now. Maybe Putin will wait a while, kick some Chechan butt, THEN bail.
Afghanistan redux.
They tried getting out of Chechnya already by giving them de facto independence in the '90's. The Chechen Islamics used it to foment jihad in neighboring provinces. That is why Grozny ended up as rubble and they will never have independence.
I noticed also that this article never mentioned Islam.
The Russians need, I believe, to shed the shithole and continue their recovery from the l-o-n-g 80 years of disanstrous, soul-killing Soviet communism.
They will recover. This fight won't make recovery any faster or easier. In fact, if they let it go, just watch the more ambitious Chechans flock to Russia for jobs. (cynicism)
This needs repetition. A "sensitive" war on terror will result in Chechnya, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Eygpt, Lybia, Algeria, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemmin, Georgia, and most of central Asia firmly in Islamist hands. They will have the "bomb", they will use it and destroy the infidel world (not just the West). Does anyone think that people who will behave this way against children will hesitate or hold off due to compassion?
The Russian military is in such a shambles that meaningful retaliation will be difficult for Putin. However, he must curb his distrust of the USA and make common cause. His military will resist strongly and the outcome cannot be predicted. We are cursed to be living in "interesting times".
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