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This is interesting and apparently where my new hero, Zell Miller, was referring to, but what has his voting record been since 9/11?
1 posted on 09/04/2004 1:43:16 AM PDT by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Mockingbird For Short
sorry... "where" = "what"
2 posted on 09/04/2004 1:44:07 AM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8)
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To: Mockingbird For Short

More:

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4145

DID YOU GET THE MEMO?
Kerry's Defense Vision Laid Out In 1984 Campaign Memo: Cut, Cut, Cut, Cancel, Cancel, Cancel
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To Read The Kerry Memo, Click Here.
To Read Chairman Gillespie's Memo To Republicans, Click Here.

JOHN KERRY'S "OVERALL DEFENSE STRATEGY"

Kerry Proposed Cutting $54 Billion From FY 1985 Defense Budget As Part Of "Long-Range Proposal To Cut $200 Billion From The Defense Budget Over Four Years," And Called For Cancellation Of At Least 27 Weapons Systems And Reductions In 18 Other Systems. "[Kerry] recommended cancellation of 27 weapons systems including the B1 bomber, the cruise missile, MX missile, Trident submarine, Patriot air defense missile, F15 fighter plane, Sparrow missile, stealth bomber and Pershing II missile. He recommended reductions in 18 other systems including the joint tactical air system, the Bradley fighting vehicle, the M1 Abrams tank and the F16 fighter plane." (Chris Black, "Kerry Asks Cuts In Defense Outlay," The Boston Globe, 5/30/84)

But Kerry Was Open To Even More Cuts Than He Had Already Listed. "There is nothing cast in stone about this list … It is an effort to create a dialogue in this campaign. It may be that there could be additional cuts." ("Kerry Asks $54 Billion Cut In Reagan Defense Budget," Berkshire Eagle, 5/30/84)

In Fact, Kerry Expanded List To "Specific Cuts In Some 60 Categories" In Discussion With The Cape Codder Newspaper, Including: SSN-688 Los Angeles Class Nuclear Attack Submarine, Trident I Submarine, Trident I Missile, Trident II Submarine-Based Missile, Midgetman Missile, Pershing II Missile, DDG-51 Aegis air defense destroyer, and CG-47 Aegis air defense cruiser. ("John F. Kerry," 1984 State Primary Newspaper Supplement, The Cape Codder, 9/11/84)

According To His Foreign Policy Advisor, Kerry's Proposed Cuts Formed "Overall Defense Strategy." "Joining Kerry was Michael Nacht, chairman of Kerry's foreign policy task force and an instructor at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, who said Kerry's proposal was 'unique' because it was an overall defense strategy, not just a pro or con statement about certain Reagan administration programs." ("Kerry Asks $54 Billion Cut In Reagan Defense Budget," Berkshire Eagle, 5/30/84)

IF KERRY HAD HAD HIS WAY IN 1984 …

NO AEGIS DESTROYERS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT

Kerry Proposed Cancellation Of Aegis Destroyer In 1984. ("John Kerry On The Defense Budget," Campaign Position Paper, John Kerry For U.S. Senate, 1984; "John F. Kerry," 1984 State Primary Newspaper Supplement, The Cape Codder, 9/11/84)

In 1985, First Of 52 Arleigh Burke Destroyers Was Ordered. (Federation Of American Scientists Military Analysis Network Website, "DDG-51 Arleigh Burke-Class," http://www.fas.org/man, Accessed 3/20/04)

Aegis Destroyer "Intended To Replace Some 30 Ships Due For Retirement Around 1990." ("Congress Authorizes $219 Billion For Defense," CQ Almanac 1984, p. 41)

NO B-2 BOMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT

Kerry Proposed Cancellation Of B-2 Bomber In 1984. (Brian C. Mooney, "Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One," The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)

"The B-2 Development Program Was Initiated In 1981, And The Air Force Was Granted Approval In 1987 To Begin Procurement Of 132 Operational B-2 Aircraft …" (Federation Of American Scientists Military Analysis Network Website, "B-2 Spirit," http://www.fas.org/man, Accessed 4/26/04)

FEW PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEMS WOULD HAVE
BEEN BUILT, AND NONE SENT TO FRONT LINES
OF COLD WAR TO PROTECT U.S. ALLIES

September 16, 1980: Initial Production Of Patriot Missile System Approved In 1980. ("Production Of New Anti-Aircraft Missile Approved," The Associated Press, 9/16/80)

ü October 1, 1980: "A limited production contract for PATRIOT was issued." (U.S. Army Redstone, Alabama Arsenal Website, "Patriot," http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/PATRIOT.html, Accessed 4/26/04)

ü December 1981: "The first PATRIOT missile was delivered." (U.S. Army Redstone, Alabama Arsenal Website, "Patriot," http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/PATRIOT.html, Accessed 4/26/04)

ü May 1982: "The Army's first PATRIOT missile battalion was activated." (U.S. Army Redstone, Alabama Arsenal Website, "Patriot," http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/PATRIOT.html, Accessed 4/26/04)

In November 1983, Army Ordered 440 Patriot Missiles And 12 Launchers. "The Army on Tuesday [11/29/83] awarded Raytheon Co. a $238 million contract for production of 440 Patriot air defense missiles and 12 firing units." ("Raytheon Gets Contract," The Associated Press, 11/29/83)

For FY 1984 Budget, Reagan Administration Requested 525 Patriot Missiles. "Among the major items requested for fiscal 1984 … [f]or the Army, $1.2 billion for 525 Patriot air defense missiles …" ("New Reagan Budget Increases Defense Spending 14% But Freezes Most Other Domestic Program Funding," Facts On File World News Digest, 2/4/83)

Kerry Proposed Cancellation Of Patriot Air Defense System In 1984. ("John Kerry On The Defense Budget," Campaign Position Paper, John Kerry For U.S. Senate, 1984)

September 14, 1984: "PATRIOT completed Follow-on Evaluation (FOE) III ahead of schedule. The highly successful test program demonstrated the system's capability to meet its operational requirements with production hardware and operational troops." (U.S. Army Redstone, Alabama Arsenal Website, "Patriot," http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/PATRIOT.html, Accessed 4/26/04)

ü October 1984: "The Army recommended deployment of PATRIOT to Europe." (U.S. Army Redstone, Alabama Arsenal Website, "Patriot," http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/PATRIOT.html, Accessed 4/26/04)

HUNDREDS, INSTEAD OF THOUSANDS, OF TOMAHAWK
CRUISE MISSILES WOULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCED

Tomahawk Missile First Deployed For Testing In 1983. (Federation Of American Scientists Military Analysis Network Website, "BGM-109 Tomahawk," http://www.fas.org/man, Accessed 3/28/04)

In FY 1982 And FY 1983, Over 60 Missiles Ordered. "McDonnell Douglas is scheduled to build 10 Tomahawk missiles with Fiscal 1982 funding. Contract for 52 missiles was awarded to the company in Fiscal 1983." (Eugene Kozicharow, "Tomahawk Moves Toward Dual-Source Production," Aviation Week & Space Technology, 2/6/84)

Kerry Called For 50% Reduction Of Tomahawk Missiles In 1984. ("John Kerry On The Defense Budget," Campaign Position Paper, John Kerry For U.S. Senate, 1984)

FY 1985 Pentagon Budget Request Set Aside $589 Million To Purchase Tomahawks Missiles. (The Associated Press, 5/31/84)

At Time Of Kerry's Proposed Reduction, Navy Was Warned Of Munitions Shortage, Including Tomahawk And Other Missiles Kerry Opposed. "The chief of naval operations had ordered Navy planners to 'rebalance' their programs to make up for crucial shortages of missiles, torpedoes and other munitions, it was reported March 31 … [Adm. James D.] Watkins informed Navy planning officers that funds alloted to the service were 'still not sufficient to fully relieve all critical shortages.' … The admiral cited the Reagan administration's objective of building a 600-ship Navy. He asserted that the service's main priority was to fully arm all new ships as the Navy grew. To that end, Watkins suggested a rechanneling of allocations into the production of munitions, particularly the Sparrow and Phoenix air-to-air missiles, Tomahawk cruise missiles, torpedoes and mines." ("Navy Munitions Shortage Cited," Facts On File World News Digest, 5/4/84)

In Early 1990s, Just After Gulf War, "There Were Approximately 2,500 Tomahawks In Inventory." (Federation Of American Scientists Military Analysis Network Website, "BGM-109 Tomahawk," http://www.fas.org/man, Accessed 4/26/04)

FAR FEWER BRADLEY FIGHTING VEHICLES WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT

Bradley Fighting Vehicle Initially Produced In 1981. (United Defense Website, "Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle," http://www.uniteddefense.com/prod/bradleyM2A3.htm, Accessed 3/26/04)

ü Twenty Bradleys Produced In Fourth Quarter Of 1981. (FMC Corporation, Press Release, 4/21/82)

About 300 Bradleys Were Expected To Ship In 1982. (FMC Corporation, Press Release, 4/21/82)

Reagan Administration Requested 600 Bradleys For FY 1984.(Richard Halloran, "5-Year Arms Plan Reaffirms Growth," The New York Times, 2/1/83)

Kerry Proposed Reductions In Bradley Fighting Vehicle Fleet In 1984. (Chris Black, "Kerry Asks Cuts In Defense Outlay," The Boston Globe, 5/30/84)

Reagan Administration Requested 655 Bradleys For FY 1985. ("$107.6 Billion In Budget Set For Military Orders," The New York Times, 2/2/84; Richard C. Gross, "Pentagon Agrees To $14 Billion Defense Cut," United Press International, 5/3/84)

Since 1981, Over 6,700 Bradleys Have Been Produced. "The Bradley Fighting Vehicle System is manufactured by United Defence Limited Partnership (UDLP) and includes the M2 Infantry Fighting Vehicle and the M3 Cavalry Fighting Vehicle. It is in service with the armies of the USA and Saudi Arabia. Since 1981, 6,720 vehicles of both types have been fielded." ("Bradley M2/M3 Tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles, USA," Army Technology Website, http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/index.html, Accessed 4/26/04)

FAR FEWER F-16 FIGHTER JETS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT

In 1975, General Dynamics Won Original $4.3 Billion Contract For 650 F-16s.("General Dynamics Renews Its Pentagon Romance," Business Week, 2/3/75)

First F-16 Was Deployed In January 1979. (Federation Of American Scientists Military Analysis Network Website, "F-16 Fighting Falcon," http://www.fas.org/man, Accessed 3/28/04)

In FY 1979, Funding Approved For At Least 120 F-16s. House version of Defense Appropriations for Fiscal Year 1979 included funds for 145 F-16s, However Senate appropriated funds for 120 F-16s. Cannot determine outcome in Conference Report. ("Defense Funds: $117.3 Billion," CQ Almanac 1978, p. 138, p. 142)

Defense Appropriations For Fiscal Year 1981 Included Funds For 180 F-16s. ("Congress Votes Hefty Increases For Defense," CQ Almanac 1980, p. 190)

Defense Appropriations For Fiscal Year 1982 Included Funds For 120 F-16s.("Reagan Defense Plan Given Final Approval," CQ Almanac 1981, p. 328)

Defense Appropriations For Fiscal Year 1984 Included Funds For 144 F-16s.("Funds Voted For Reagan Defense Buildup," CQ Almanac 1983, p. 488)

Kerry Proposed Reductions In F-16 Fleet In 1984. (Chris Black, "Kerry Asks Cuts In Defense Outlay," The Boston Globe, 5/30/84)

Defense Appropriations For Fiscal Year 1985 Included Funds For 150 F-16s.("For Defense, $274.4 Billion In Fiscal 1985," CQ Almanac 1984, p. 403)

FEWER THAN TWENTY APACHE HELICOPTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT

First Apache Rolled Off Hughes' Assembly Line In September 1983 And By January 1984, Just Nine Production Models Were Completed. "The first Apache rolled off Hughes Helicopters' Arizona assembly line two months ahead of schedule on Sept. 30, 1983, just 18 months after ground was broken for the facility, the most advanced helicopter assembly plant in the world. Nine production Apaches are presently being completed at the Mesa complex." (Hughes Helicopters, Inc., "First Production Apache Helicopter Successfully Completes Inaugural Flight," Press Release, 1/9/84)

Kerry Proposed Cancellation Of Apache Helicopter In 1984. ("John Kerry On The Defense Budget," Campaign Position Paper, John Kerry For U.S. Senate, 1984)





And to actually see Kerry's memo about canceling virtually every defense program:

http://commrnc.grassroots.com/resources/kerry1984defensememo.pdf


3 posted on 09/04/2004 1:49:38 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Mockingbird For Short
This is interesting and apparently where my new hero, Zell Miller, was referring to, but what has his voting record been since 9/11?

On John Kerry's voting record since 9/11...

Zell covered that partly... John Kerry was one of eleven Senators who held up Homeland Security because they wanted to build in negotiating rights for federal employee unions.

Then there was the vote for the use of force against Iraq, and then the vote against funding the troops.

So, Kerry's record since 9/11 is no less confused and detached from reality as his votes and statements before 9/11.

7 posted on 09/04/2004 2:21:18 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Mockingbird For Short

re: "but what has his voting record been since 9/11?"

There is no record. He's been running for president since 9/11. He has been AWOL from the job his constituents pay him handsomely to perform, out chasing around the country reminding everyone he was in Vietnam. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for those in Congress to absent. If I had my way we would send them all home, we have enough laws already.


8 posted on 09/04/2004 2:36:30 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: Mockingbird For Short
Bill Hobbs has the actual photo copy of the bill, scroll about one third down. I couldn't figure out how to print a gif.
9 posted on 09/04/2004 4:06:32 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: centurion316; Andrewksu

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10 posted on 09/04/2004 5:32:35 AM PDT by centurion316 (Infantry, Queen of Battle)
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