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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
One William Tecumseh Sherman said war is hell, it cannot be otherwise. Sherman has been damned in history, but he and Gen. Grant realized one thing, if hell was required to shorten the war and insure victory, then hell was what would be inflicted. By making war upon the Confederate civilian population, they had to break their will to support their troops fighting in the field.

Sherman made war on infrastructure and displaced large segments of southern population, but he was not a butcher, he did not target civilians for destruction. Neither was our policy in W.W.II meant specifically to kill civilians as much as it was to destroy the Axis powers' means of fighting the war. Terror bombings like Dresden are contreversial to this day for the tremendous number of people they killed while destroying almost no enemy infrastructure.

What you suggest is butchery at it's most base and vile, the slaughter of people who have nothing to do with the conflict. Women, children, the old, and the lame; killing them indescriminately is black evil, and rather than deter opposition it will only serve to radicalize more and more people.

I understand your anger and frustration, but you will never defeat terrorism by creating misery, death and hopelessness. The only way is to defend yourself against attack while you work to change the conditions that allow terrorist groups to grow. That's what we're doing in Iraq, that's what we're doing in Afghanistan, and that's what we're going to continue to do.

Because we're the Americans, remember? We're the good guys. Good guys don't kill kids for what their parents are doing, and they don't punish the innocent with the guilty.

23 posted on 09/03/2004 5:32:07 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber

You need to come in from that alternate universe and study the lessons of history.

Grant and Sherman shelled and killed civilians in the city of Vicksburg Mississippi for months. (the people of Vicksburg did not allow the American national athem to be played until VJ day in 1945)

Sherman shelled the citizens of Atlanta Georgia for weeks, he then burned down every single building in the city. On his march through Georgia he pillaged, burned and destroyed everything in a swath scores of miles wide. Sherman bragged of making Georgia howl, but his action broke the will of the Confederacy. I am a un-reconstructed rebel, but I very well understand why it worked and why it is was necessary from a practical point of view.

Grant shelled civilians in Richmond Virginia for months, when the city surrendered, the old photos shows nothing but a gutted remains.

The allies fire bombed the city of Cologne Germany in 1943 and killed over 100,000 in one night. The Feb. 13-14, 1945 bombing and burning of the non-military cultural center of Dresden, Germany resulted in the death of between 35,000 to 135,000 (there is no way to know, for it was jammed with refugees thinking it was a safe haven) civilians were killed in the attack. (Bomber Harris the RAF commander knew it served no tactical military purpose, he stratigically wanted to break the will of Germany to make war by inflicting civilian deaths and pain)

The Tokyo Japan firebombings instigated by USAAF General Curtis LeMay killed many more people than both atomic bombs did. The city of Tokyo was fire bombed many times along with other Japanese cities. It was nothing to kill 100,000 people in one nightly raid.

We were at war, in war one does things for self survival one would never even consider under normal circumstances, if you are not interested if America and the civilized world survives, then follow you pacifist path to perdition, for that is where it leads. We are at war now, it calls for drastic measures, we must win, there is no alternative, there is no softer, gentler sensitive side to war, war is hell itself.


37 posted on 09/03/2004 6:59:42 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Zeroisanumber

I disagree with you entirely. Take terror home to the terrorists with extreme predjudice. When terror is no longer "profitable" to the people who not only commit the terror but also those who support it.

The majority of arabs who consider themselves "palestinians", support the homocide/terror attacks in the middle east. Exterminate them in large numbers, and they may decide that survival is more important than their terror.

Hitler only had control of the schools in Germany for 7 years, and in that time so corrupted the youth of that country that he had young men who willingly machinegunned naked women,children and old people.

Arrafatty has had control of his brand of arab schools for 3 generations and he is the grandaddy of international terrorism. It was his groups that hijacked multiple airliners in the 60's and landed them at an unused Jordanian airfield.

After extorting millions of dollars in ransom, they blew up the aircraft and so imbarrased the King of Jordan that he turned his military on them, killing tens of thousands and chasing these Jordanian arabs to Lebenon, where they destroyed this country.

Take terror home to them. I think the Russian people should bomb a different mousqe in chechnya for EACH victim that has been killed or wounded by these animals. All on the same day, when the mousqes are filled. Kill the terrorists and all of their families.

I wonder why there is anyone in the bin laden family alive. His mother, wives, children, brothers,sisters,cousins,neices and nephews should ALL be removed from this earth.


57 posted on 09/04/2004 12:45:36 PM PDT by stumpy (M)
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