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1 posted on 09/03/2004 2:22:06 PM PDT by crushelits
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Thanks--great to see it all in one place (or mostly all--there's still the matter of the medals).


2 posted on 09/03/2004 2:28:20 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: crushelits
The Reserve Duty business is all old news and was overtaken by events.

The facts are that no matter what kind of deal you signed to enlist, once you got out of active duty back then nobody would force you into a reserve unit.

Think about it ~ here you have brave men who've volunteered to go into the armed forces, or they've been drafted and showed up at the induction station rather than Canada ~ now, they are finished with the hard part of being in the military and somebody wants them to go to a drill once a month (or so) where most of the people will have successfully evaded the draft or not enlisted.

And they have real guns and bullets handy!

It was a normal practice to excuse folks who'd completed their active duty (2 years or more) from any reserve duty.

End of story.

Rules be damned.

Kept the reserves pure and away from the real soldiers. Only a madman would have thought it useful to mix them up.

4 posted on 09/03/2004 2:37:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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And did he get his medical checkups and how about dental exams? Do we have copies of those?


5 posted on 09/03/2004 2:38:00 PM PDT by NTegraT
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Kerry was never assigned to a unit and was not being paid. He had no obligation to drill.

It really doesn't advance the cause to throw around treason charges. The man is just very, very, very wrong.

On the other hand, if the meetings with the North Vietnamese can be documented, Kerry would have violated a very specific statute against citizens negotiating with foreign powers.

6 posted on 09/03/2004 2:38:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
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Lay off this because you are dangerously wrong on a number of issues.

First, Kerry had no drilling obligation in the reserves. His only obligation was to report if recalled to active duty. As a member of the Ready Reserve he would have been top of the list of candididates for recall had the U.S. decided to recall folks to active duty - which we did not.

Second, a member of the naval reserve, not in an a duty status is not subject to the UCMJ. His civilian acts are subject to civil law only.

There are plenty of good reasons that Kerry is a bad choice for president. Don't try to invent some that will fly like a lead-balloon.

8 posted on 09/03/2004 2:50:14 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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Great stuff crushelits!

Kerry's delayed discharge of 1978 is a curiosity. Could one of these be the reason?


11 posted on 09/03/2004 2:54:39 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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Even if he was the Dems would never notice it...

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12 posted on 09/03/2004 2:55:48 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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bttt


13 posted on 09/03/2004 2:58:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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On the Kerry website is a copy of a letter notifying him of his honorable discharge. It refers to Title 10, U.S.Code Section 1163 and says that a board of officers was convened pursuant to that statute to determine whether a reservist should be kept in the reserves. There is a DOD regulation that explains how this works. It is at 32 CFR section 100.5. At the beginning it states:

(a) Unsatisfactory participation in the Ready Reserve.

...

(3) When a member of the Selected Reserve is identified as an unsatisfactory participant and considered a possible candidate for involuntary transfer to the IRR or for discharge, a board of officers shall be convened, as required by 10 U.S.C. 1063 to consider the circumstances and recommend appropriate action.

Since this statute (10 USC 1063) is referenced in the honorable discharge letter one must assume that this regulation as it existed in 1978 was the one under which the discharge was granted. In other words he was discharged for being an unsatisfactory participant in the reserve.

Here is a link to the regulation:
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/pdf/32cfr100.5.pdf

One other point however: The Bainbridge manpower center at the time was the place that maintained the files on members of the INACTIVE ready reserve. If you were in the inactive ready reserve (as I was in the 60's at the end of my obligated service) your records were held there until your discharge date and there were no requirements to attend drills or to do anything.

Given that, I am hard pressed to understand the reason for the letter Kerry got referring to the board of officers.


14 posted on 09/03/2004 3:00:26 PM PDT by dilpo
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To: crushelits
Not sure if I agree about the drill obligation, he was transferred to the "inactive" reserve.

However, it is clear that there is much missing from what we know about the early 70s. His total time was 12 years, all in the USNR (he never was regular navy). That is a long time and it isn't explained in any way.

My bet is that Traitor John was "recalled" in the early 70s and court martialed for consorting with the enemy (in Paris), maybe homosexual activity in Nam, or marrying (without the Navy's permission) a Vitnamese while in Cam Rahn Bay.

But, John has been successful in diverting the focus. We are talking about minuitae like a "combat V," when we should be focusing on Kerry's treason. Hi testimony gave comfort to the enemy, he consorted with the enemy in Paris and he co-founded and participated in the activities of a suspect organization. Treason is not a good qualification for CinC. What is in his file that he is hiding?

15 posted on 09/03/2004 3:07:05 PM PDT by Tacis (KERRYQUIDIC - Scandal, dishonor & cover-up!! Benedict Arnold had a few good months, too!!)
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A Question you will not see on the MSM.


19 posted on 09/03/2004 3:20:52 PM PDT by CPT Clay (57 in '04)
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Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training.

This is simply not true. If you read Kerry's release from active duty orders, you will see that Kerry was transferred into the inactive reservres. He had no drill requirement, just the obligation to keep the Navy informed of his whereabouts because he was subject to recall.

20 posted on 09/03/2004 3:24:40 PM PDT by kabar
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Kerry's disrespect in 1971 to USA Symbols Video

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NOTE :
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Who was head of the
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Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
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But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

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22 posted on 09/03/2004 3:26:23 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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Ketchupman AWOL? Made me a believer given that he's already a traitor.


25 posted on 09/03/2004 3:28:54 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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bttt


28 posted on 09/03/2004 3:30:28 PM PDT by Dante3
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Good job crush! How in the world can you get this info into the MSM? Is there any hope that could happen? It is so frustrating to see the facts ignored all the time by the bigs. The MSM are still wondering daily about Bush's record in Alabama, but nary a word about Kerry's absence while still on duty as a reservist.


32 posted on 09/03/2004 3:50:16 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training.

This is also false, the '48' drills is really 48 MUTA's (Multiple Unit Training Assembly's) a MUTA is 4 hour's. 48 MUTA's is 12 drills.

Sometimes you have a MUTA 3, All day Saturday and 1/2 day Sunday. Sometimes you have a MUTA 5, Friday night, and all day Saturday and Sunday. For every MUTA 3 you will have a MUTA 5. The MUTA's start on October 1st the start of the Fiscal year.

Your Retirement year starts the day you join, my RYE date (Retirement Year Ending) date is July 11.

Also Summer camp can be from 14 to 28 days long.

Reserve participation is based on points,
you get 15 points for being a member.
1 point for every MUTA.(1 point for 4 hours of drill)
1 point for every day of summer camp or every day of active duty
and about 50 other ways to make points, e.i. school, etc.

It takes 50 points for a 'good' year.

If you attend all your drills and 14 days of summer camp you get 77 points.

You can miss 2 1/2 drills in a Retirement year, and it will still count. NOTE: Take into account the difference between the Fiscal Year and the Retirement Year.

In my case if we had summer camp during the month of July I had a good chance of my summer camp points being split between 2 years, same with MUTA 3's and MUTA 5's.

I could have missed 5 drills in a row and still had a good year!!!

42 posted on 09/03/2004 5:35:08 PM PDT by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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Somehow, reading this, I am reminded of the Morton Salt girl with her little umbrella. "When it rains, it pours"


43 posted on 09/03/2004 5:40:14 PM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Virgnian by birth, Texan in my heart)
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bookmark bump


45 posted on 09/03/2004 5:40:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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Don't worry folks. I have knowledge that Mr. John F. Kerry is being investigated by the Dept. of Navy for falsification of reports for the request of an award. Kerry's Silver Star has an unauthorized "V" for valor which "makes it facially false and at variance with official government records."

Now, let us examine Kerry's own words in the case of Admiral Jeremy Michael Boorda who died of a self-inflicted gun shot wound on May 16, 1996. After his suicide, National Review columnist Kate O'Beirne notes Kerry gave his response to two Boston papers. Kerry is quoted as saying: "In a sense, there's nothing that says more about your career than when you fought, where you fought and how you fought," And, "If you wind up being less than what you're pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value and self-esteem and your sense of how others view you."

At that time, questions were raised about Boorda's combat "V" clip, which is awarded for valor under fire. The doubt was over whether Boorda's two tours in Vietnam aboard combat ships qualified him for the awards. The Washington Post reported Boorda's right to wear the clips apparently was supported by a Navy manual, but hours before he was scheduled to address the issue with Newsweek reporters, he shot himself.

Kerry also spoke with the Boston Globe:

"The military is a rigorous culture that places a high premium on battlefield accomplishment," he told the paper.

Of Boorda and his apparent violation, Kerry said: "When you are the chief of them all, it has to weigh even more heavily."
50 posted on 09/03/2004 6:23:56 PM PDT by jonrick46
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