Posted on 09/03/2004 11:21:10 AM PDT by blasater1960
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646 vicitms of terrorist act in Beslan hospitalized.
03.09.2004, 22.00
“The former hostages are receiving therapy in mobile hospitals and clinics of Beslan and Vladikavkaz,” the source said.
Some 130 wounded people, including children, are in the Vladikavkaz clinic. The republican clinic has 38 patients, including five children, with the severest wounds and traumas, and the children’s clinic of Vladikavkaz has admitted 186 children.
Eighty adults are receiving therapy in the airmobile hospital, 200 in the medical emergency clinic, 32 in the republican clinic, two in the military hospital of Vladikavkaz, and four in the first town hospital of Vladikavkaz.
The town hospital of Beslan has admitted 98 adults, two were sent to the defense ministry hospital in Vladikavkaz, and one is in the Ardon town hospital.
“The majority of patients have bullet wounds in the back,” the sources said.
The storming of the school, was not prepared, the Russian president’s adviser Aslambek Aslakhanov told reporters on Friday. “We were getting ready for dialogue in order to avoid spilling blood,” he said.
Aslakhanov arrived in Beslan by air to take part in negotiation with the hostage takers.
According to Aslakhanov, “ the terrorists demanded the withdrawal of the troops from Chechnya and the release of all the people who had been arrested for attacking the security agencies of Ingushetia on June 22.”
Aslakhanov said seven to 30 terrorists had been in the captured school. There were representatives of various ethnic groups in the gang. It was fully international, he said.
The number of those killed in the Beslan hostage crisis may by far exceed 150," Aslakhanov said.
Seventy-nine victims of the hostage crisis were identified by 9:15 p.m. Moscow time, head of the Federal Security Service’s North Ossetian department and the crisis center Valery Andreyev said.
“Unfortunately, the death rate is mounting,” he said adding that the operation against the terrorists is going on.
Your post is very good. Keep them home and train them to shoot is our approach...
Bingo. Quit the nuclear test ban treaty, take Chechnya by emminent domain and declare it a military testing site, give the residents "evictions"...preferably on air dropped leaflets written in a language they don't understand, and then nuke the whole place flat. Give it back only when the land is so radioactive it's unable to support a single blade of grass.
That's the only lesson the Islamists will understand. You kill our children, we kill your children. Push these monsters back into the sands of the middle east. I have children this age, and I'd burn these demons myself if I could. I just hope that if any survive, their executions are slow, painful, and willfully ignorant of human rights. They aren't human, and they have no rights.
Yes, I agree more with your plan. I think having weapons inside a school with designated users a good idea. I just think that guns in the hands of most of the teachers a very dangerous thing. But I think having accessible weapons in the event of an emergency a good way to help protect the school.
From different threads and international news:
They negotiated with the terrorists and they allowed the removal of bodies (from the initial takeover) from the courtyard. When rescue personell tried to remove them they realized that the bodies had been boobytrapped and terroists opened fire on the people in the courtyard. At this point a group of 30 made a run for it. Terrorists started gunning them down and FSB etc. started firing etc. etc. 2 different groups tried to make a run for it with the leader in a third group staying behind. One of the group running has been anhilated. Don't know about the other (different reports). So far it has been reported that over 10 of the dead terrorists are Arabs.
There is still shooting between FSB and the third group inside with additional hostages. Word are that there were 1200 - 1500 people inside (different from the original 500 report). Men were mostly herded together and more then a dozen shot during the initial stand-off.
FSB did NOT want to go in there but had no choice when all hell broke loose. Don't think they were ready for it and they did the best they could. SHITTY situation to be in if you ask me. Damned if you do... Damned if you don't....
Unless you realize that every single one of those hostages are already dead from the minute they became hostages.
Now we see what they were talking about. They love the tet offensive approach and it may not yet be over.
May Basayev rot in hell. And his friend Mogodov with him.
But I think having accessible weapons in the event of an emergency a good way to help protect the school.
I have a spine, thank you. And I'm not a young kid who has just graduated from college. I have raised a family and am returning to the classroom. I do believe that we should have guns in the schools and have said so in other posts in this thread. I just don't think all teachers should have them. I don't trust them enough. Have weaspons in the school in the case of emergency with people designated to use them.
When they leveled Grozny back in 95 though, Russia took so much heat from all the EU press and human rights people. I think it made them back off.
The Putin took his dog and pony show of terrorist videos around in Europe to show to press. I read that many of them passed out, vomited or left the room during the showings. Especially in the Netherlands.
Now we will see what will happen. It is time for ikcheria to be removed from the face of the earth. Nothing good has come from it.
It sounds like the situation spun out of control...there's always the risk of that happening when dealing with these Islamist nutjobs. Sometimes even the best-trained police or security forces can't impose their order on a situation.
Boobytrapping bodies in a courtyard and then calling in the rescue personnel...that's unreal. That's something you'd expect in a pitched Vietnamese firefight (John Kerry, call your office) or on the Eastern Front circa 1943, not a school courtyard.
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I don't think it's unreasonable either. On the other hand, given what we know about terrorists, I'd take my chances with a garden variety nut-case.
I have an elementary school about a half a block from my house. They do all usual security things. I'm still pretty sure I could bring them to a stand still by simply threatening to bash the receptionist with a baseball bat. However, I'd be dropping that bat pretty fast when the janitor showed me his 1911.
Thanks for posting this summary. And remember it's not even Russia. Ossetia has its own leader. He was involved in the press accounts I was reading on Lenta.ru last night before it crashed on me.
I think there was time when I would have agreed with you. I'm sure that my ancestors in rural areas did carry guns when they took their kids to school and taught them. That's when we knew our neighbors. We're just too big and heterogeneous today. I wouldn't send my child to a school where teachers carried guns. Now, if all the teachers and students came from the neighborhood where we had all grown up together and I knew their families, I would feel quite differently. I'm very pro-second amendment. But I just don't know these people we're advocating arming around the children and I do have a problem with that. It's not the gun that's the problem. It's the people I don't know who possesses them!
Both North and South Ossetia have their own presidents. Of course Putin is very involved and supports North Ossetia, Orthodox Christians and many belonging to the Russian Orthodox church. But he is not their president.
If a group of armed, bomb carrying terrorits storm a school, you won't have time to get to the weapons, no matter how 'accessible' they may be. If someone has the jump on you, you will be lucky to just get your gun out of the holster, but you will at least have a chance. Arm teachers who volunteer and qualify.
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