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WEAK CASE AGAINST MILOSEVIC HAS HAGUE 'IN PANIC'
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | 29 August 2004 | Bruce Garvey

Posted on 09/03/2004 5:37:50 AM PDT by Doctor13

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1 posted on 09/03/2004 5:37:51 AM PDT by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13
This is interesting. If Milosevic gets off the hook, then what? Does this in fact, make Bill Clinton a "war criminal" for his participation in the war? It would seem to me that by not using the tactical bombing methods on targets of interest, the deaths of nearly 2500 Baltic citizens is in fact a murder. Or am I reading to much into this?
2 posted on 09/03/2004 5:41:21 AM PDT by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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Well, the fix is in, I'm sure, but, Bill Clinton is still a terrorist.

Where were the protestors when we were terrorizing Christian Serbia on behalf of Mulsim Kosovo, for NO REASON?

Did it win us favor in the Mohammedan world? LOL!


3 posted on 09/03/2004 5:43:45 AM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Shortwave

You know that some way, some how they will be forced to convict Slobo of something.


4 posted on 09/03/2004 5:43:58 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Doctor13
"This was a massacre that never happened,"

What a surprise, the great Clinton-Blair War was built on a sham (oh and a couple of White House interns).

We should make reparations to the Serbs, especially those in Kosovo who now live daily with the fear of real genocidal attacks from the al Qa'eda affiliates whom we installed to run Kosovo.
5 posted on 09/03/2004 5:45:49 AM PDT by tjwmason (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Doctor13

The glorious world consensus rears its ugly head.

Deduct 5,000,000 points from the Hague in the category of "Relevancy"


6 posted on 09/03/2004 5:51:20 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: Andy from Beaverton
"some way, some how they will be forced to convict Slobo of something."

But now that the court has assigned, imposed, it's own 'defense' team on Milo and given them an entire week to come up to speed and present a case, I'm just sure that he will have a much better chance of proving his (oops, their) case. Right!

Don't worry, they'll convict no matter what comes out in court or what Milo tries to bring out in court.

What irks me is this article list a bunch of canadians with apparently well founded opinions, all of whom refuse to state them in court. Is canada so totally unable to commit to anything that it extends to withholding evidence that might prove someone not guilty?

7 posted on 09/03/2004 5:53:36 AM PDT by norton
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To: Shortwave
Does this in fact, make Bill Clinton a "war criminal" for his participation in the war?

Clinton IS a war criminal. In the outrageous NATO-led assault on a sovereign nation – which according to some estimates cost as much as $75 billion – we bombed Belgrade for 78 days, killed almost 3,000 civilians, and shredded the civilian infrastructure (including every bridge across the Danube.)

We devastated the environment, bombed the Chinese embassy, came very close to engaging in armed combat against Russian forces, and in general, pursued a horrific and inhumane strategy to rain misery on the civilian population of Belgrade in order to pressure Milosevic into surrendering.

Why did we do all that? The US did not even have an arguable interest in the Balkans, and no one ever tried to claim that Serbia represented any kind of threat to our nation or our interests.

But for months the Clinton administration had told us that Milosevic was waging a vicious genocide against Albanians Muslims, and needed to be stopped. The New York Times called it a “humanitarian war.” In March 1999 – the same month that the bombing started – Clinton’s State Department publicly suggested that as many as 500,000 Albanian Kosovars had been murdered by Milosevic’s regime. In May of that year, as the bombing campaign was drawing to a close, Secretary of Defense William Cohen lowered that estimate 100,000.

Now, five years after the bombing, after all the forensic investigations have been completed, the prosecutors at Milosevic’s “War Crimes” trial in the Hague have barely been able to document a questionable figure of perhaps 5,000 “bodies and body parts.” During the war, the American people were told that Kosovo was full of mass graves filled with the bodies of murdered Albanians. But none have been found.

And yet, we have seen no protestors screaming: “Where are the mass graves?” – even though, in fact, there aren’t any. Well, actually, there are. But they are not in Kosovo or Serbia. They are in Iraq, where the bodies of more than 300,000 murdered Iraqis have been discovered so far, and the toll keeps mounting.

It is my very strong opinion that ANYONE who opposed the War in Iraq, but failed to condemn the Bill Clinton/NATO war crime in Kosovo at the time it was happening, has absolutely nothing to say that is worth listening to about the Bush administration’s decision to overthrow Saddam.

8 posted on 09/03/2004 5:53:54 AM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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Great post! Well noted.


9 posted on 09/03/2004 5:57:03 AM PDT by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: Maceman

damn clinton legacy.


10 posted on 09/03/2004 5:58:28 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Shortwave
Does this in fact, make Bill Clinton a "war criminal" for his participation in the war? Bill Clinton, Mad Albright and Wes Clark could and should all be tried for violating the Geneva and Hague Convention's proscription of murdering innocent non combatants (civilians). They did this by ordering indescriminate bombing of Kosovo from 30,000 feet. -Retired Army Officer
11 posted on 09/03/2004 5:59:40 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: Shortwave
Repost with proper html:

Does this in fact, make Bill Clinton a "war criminal" for his participation in the war?

Bill Clinton, Mad Albright and Wes Clark could and should all be tried for violating the Geneva and Hague Convention's proscription of murdering innocent non combatants (civilians). They did this by ordering indescriminate bombing of Kosovo from 30,000 feet.

-Retired U.S. Army Officer

12 posted on 09/03/2004 6:03:10 AM PDT by OldCorps
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It really takes a certain class of nutcut UN bureaucrats to make Milosevic look good!

I would not have believed it possible.


13 posted on 09/03/2004 6:04:08 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Maceman

BTTT!


14 posted on 09/03/2004 6:06:34 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: OldCorps
Thank you. I thought so. I'm not sure it would go far but in my opinion the whole Kosovo thing was a farce. I think Tony Blair, in part, supported the Coalition-Iraqi war to redeem himself.

By the way, thank you for your service to our country.
15 posted on 09/03/2004 6:08:20 AM PDT by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: Doctor13

You will never hear the left squawking about the "lack of mass graves" the way they do about the "lack of WMD" in Iraq. The difference is that the WMD did exist, but were moved to Syria at the last minute. In Kosovo, the much trumpted "ethnic cleansing" of Muslims never happened. In fact, because of our intervention, the only ethnic cleansing was that of the Christians in Kosovo. Face it, thanks to the Clintonistas, we handed the Muslims a great victory in Kosovo.


16 posted on 09/03/2004 6:15:00 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Maceman

Interesting argument you make.

We've been hearing on FR for a year now that just because we haven't found WMD in Iraq doesn't mean they're not there somewhere.

Is not the same logic applicable here?

Milosevic is not one of the good guys. The world is a better place without him running a country. That doesn't make those he was fighting against the good guys either. It's not that simple, I don't believe every conflict can be reduced to such simple terms.

JMO.


17 posted on 09/03/2004 6:15:22 AM PDT by dmz
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"Milosevic is not one of the good guys. The world is a better place without him running a country. "

Since Milosevic has claimed that he was fighting against an 'islamic insurgence' and considering the events of 9/11,the Cole, the 93 WTC, and the embassies, along with the current terrorist attacks, and the fact that a 'massacre' has NOT occurred, what makes you think Milosevic is NOT one of the good guys?

Because the Hague says so?

The original claim, and the reason we bombed over there was the insistance that 200,000 or more people were slaughtered.

You can easily move 2 tons of WMD's to another country overnight, but I really doubt you can move 195,000 bodies out of the country without anyone noticing.


There is a huge difference between a proven dictator having HAD WMD's and using them and a Leader of a country trying to defend against an insurgency of islamic extremists.

Is he guilty of crimes against humanity?

I don't know.

And neither do you.

Don't be so quick to buy into the pablum.


18 posted on 09/03/2004 6:35:22 AM PDT by Bigh4u2
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To: Maceman; Balkans
Nice observations at #8, Mace. The Cleaning Lady, Sink Emperor, Cohen the Coward, willing accomplices in the leftist presstitution racket and current "Bush Lied" critics are shameless. Don't forget too that our pimping, drug trafficking "ally" the KLA was delisted as a terrorist group by the Clinton administration for this war against our former ally in WWII, Yugoslavia. Great job Clinton et al.--you have created a new safe haven for radical Islamists. As one U.S. general recently said: "We were fighting the wrong side"...
19 posted on 09/03/2004 6:36:24 AM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Doctor13

I'm glad they're not trying Saddam!


20 posted on 09/03/2004 6:39:38 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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