Posted on 09/01/2004 4:46:34 AM PDT by rudy45
Sorry for starting this thread so early. Is this like calling "shotgun" three days before the trip starts LOL?
I was trying to find out the time that the Senator's speech will occur. I found nothing at the Legion website (www.legion.org), nor at the Kerry site, nor at CSPAN. When will the speech be given?
Anyway, here is a thread for people to post their comments.
I only caught the last few minutes, but it looked as if he never gained any rapport with the audience, because he had a nervous and shifty look crossing his face right to the very end.
I'll bet he was deeply relieved it was finally over.
[Applause] The job will be done -- the job will be done when we stop closing va hospitals so that veterans don't have to struggle to find the care or travel extraordinary distances to be able to get the care that they need. The job will be done when the government stops asking veterans for increased co payments, increased enrollment fees, increased charges that shift the burden of care to other veterans and drive more than a million veterans out of the healthcare system.
[Applause] The job, the job will be done when 400,000 military retirees get real full concurrent receipt. Let me tell you --.
[Applause] Let me tell you, this is common sense. I think it's in keeping with the full americanism that is at the heart and core of the charter and the oath of the legion. If you earned a pension, it's yours. It's just like the private sector. You worked for it. You obeyed the rules you rose in the ranks you got your pay grade and you got your money. If you get a disability payment, it is because you suffered something. It is a disability, and the disability is supposed to make up for the suffering. I don't believe the government should subtract what you have suffered from what you have earned. I believe you deserve a full concurrent payment.
[Applause] And the job will be done when there are no homeless veterans on the streets of america, when 320,000 veterans are no longer waiting for decisions on disability claims, and another 100,000 are no longer waiting for appeals decisions. The job will be done when the va secretary doesn't have to complain publicly that he needs 1.2 billion more because he was turned down by a white house that spent the money on tax cuts for those at the top instead.
[Applause] I believe veterans come first.
[Applause] The done when we repeal the tax on military widows, and mark my words, the job will be done when the family of 21-year-old jay briseno a veteran who was facing a lifetime of disability, when that family doesn't have to sleep at his bedside because the va can't afford to give him round the clock nursing care that he needs, that's not right. That's certainly not compassionate, and when I'm president, that won't happen. We will always --.
[Applause] My friends, we have a great tradition of fighting for our veterans all of us together, and we will fight for our fellow veterans because we know that the first definition of patriotism is not talking about it. It is keeping faith with those who wore the uniform at the united states, and from standing with john mccain to find out the truth about what happened to our P.O.W.S and mias in vietnam, to personally writing the legislation that provided help and healthcare to the victims of agent orange. I'm proud of the fights that we have won for our fellow veterans. At this moment --.
[Applause] At this moment we have in place. We as a nation the most exhaustive comprehensive effort to account for the missing or captured and the most extraordinary procedures now in place in the event of war that have ever been put in place in all of the history of human warfare, and america should be proud of that. As president i will lead the fight for a military family bill of rights and mandatory funding for veterans healthcare.
[Applause] I believe that that is keeping faith. We not only honor those who have served, but we are going to stand by those who are serving today. We are a country at war. We know that too well. The president talked about it yesterday. Others are consumed by it. We're a country at war not only in iraq, but a global war on terror against an enemy unlike any we have known before. In all corners of the world, our soldiers lives are on the line. More than 150,000 troops serving in iraq and afghanistan are far away from their families, and thousands more are in harm's way elsewhere. My friends in the legion, and my fellow americans, we owe them the truth. We owe the american people the truth. And I'm here today to tell you the truth as I see it. I can't come here and fulfill my obligation as a candidate for president of these great united states of america and not give you an honest and serious appraisal of the challenge we face in iraq and the war on terror. No one in the united states doubted the outcome in iraq or how swiftly the war would be won. No one. We knew we had the best trained troops in the world and true to form they performed magnificently. And we are all proud and grateful.
[Applause] But the certainty of winning the war placed the most solemn obligation on the civilian leadership of this country to make certain that we had a plan to win the peace. The army chief of staff general shinseki told congress we would need several hundred thousand american troops to win the peace and do the job properly. His candor was rewarded with early retirement and his advice ignored sending a chilling message throughout the ranks of professional military. By dismissing the state department's plan for postwar iraq and proceeding unilaterally, the civilian leadership simply did not put the mechanism in place to be able to secure the country. They were unprepared for the looting, insecurity and ininsurgency that burst out with the fall of saddam hussein's regime. They failed to secure iraq's borders and so allowed thousands of foreign terrorists, islamist militants and intelligence agents to penetrate and destabilize postwar iraq. Amazingly they had no real plan for postwar political transition. All of this happened despite clear and precise bipartisan warnings from congress and regional experts. Then as the challenge grew around our troops, the civilian leadership failed to respond adequately, failed to share responsibility with nato, the greatest alliance we've ever built, failed to share it with the U.N. Which also offered assistance, failed to share a reconstruction or decision making as a way of inviting others to shoulder the burden, and failed to provide the security on the ground necessary for postwar reconstruction. They rushed and shortchanged the training and equipment of the iraqi police. They failed to recruit enough experts in language and culture of the region and used those that they had ineffectively. The civilian leadership made a decision to disband the iraqi military completely so there was no internal structure to maintain order. They chose consciously to put an american instead of an international face on the occupation, failed to prepare for a large number of prisoners, and most significantly, failed even to guard nuclear waste and ammunition storage sites despite the fact that weapons of mass destruction was their fundamental reason for the war. And some of the weapons that we didn't guard are the very weapons being targeted at our troops today. As a result today terrorists have secured havens in iraq that were not there before, and we have been forced to reach accommodation with those who have repeatedly attacked our troops. Violence has spread in iraq. Iran has expanded its influence, and extremism has gained momentum. Now I know that some of these things are hard to listen to. I know that it's always tough to talk truth to power, but i think the president himself on monday admitted that he miscalculated in iraq. In truth his miscalculation was ignoring the advice that was given to him including the best advice of america's own military. So when the president says we have the same position on iraq. I have to respectfully disagree. Our differences could not be plainer. And i have set them out consistently. When it comes to iraq, it's not that I would have done one thing differently. I would have done almost everything differently. I would have relied on american troops in tora bora the best troops in the world when we had usama bin laden in our sites traped in the mountains -- in our sights trapped in the mountains. I would not have sent afghans up into those mountains who a week earlier had been fighting on the other side. I would have sent the best trained forces in the world to get the number one criminal and terrorist in the world.
[Applause] I never would have diverted resources so quickly from afghanistan before finishing the job. I would have given the inspectors the time they needed to do the job not because that might have done the whole job of getting the weapons, but because by doing so, we could have brought other countries to our side which is the way you provide our troops with the best protection and the way you provide america with the greatest chance of success. I would have made sure that we listened to our senior military advisors. I would have made sure that every soldier put in harm's way had state of the art body armor, state of the art humvees, and the equipment we needed. I would have built a strong broad coalition of our allies around the world because every one of you sitting here knows, no matter -- you know, take away party affiliation. This isn't democrat. This isn't republican. This isn't independent. This is just common sense. Because every one -- everyone here knows that the best way to protect the troops is to make sure not only they have the equipment, but that you are going from the maximum position of strength. If there's one thing i learned from my service which was a difficult time, as we all know, i would never have gone to war without a plan to win the peace. That I think is critical.
[Applause] Now, the bottom line, the bottom line is this, that i don't believe we, you, have to be shouldering nearly the entire financial cost of this war. More than 200 billion dollars in shortchanging investments ifhcare in veterans in educati home. But the question now is not just what we should have done, but what we can and must now do. I don't think we need what president bush has defined as a catastrophic success. I think we need a real success. We need to bring our allies to our side. We need
-- -- have done and bring our troops home as fast as possible. In an interview --.
[Applause] In an interview two days ago, the president said we can't win the war on terror. I know he said something different to you yesterday, but i absolutely disagree with what he said in that interview in a moment of candor. With the right policies, this is a war we can win. This is a war we must win, and this is a war we will win. Because we're the can do people, and there's nothing we can't do if we put our mind and our muscle into it. In the end the terrorists will lose and we will win because the future does not belong to fear. It belongs to freedom.
[Applause] Let me tell you how we are going to do that. To win the war on terror, we are going to add 40,000 active duty troops to our military, not in iraq, emphasize, not in iraq, but nine out of ten of our army divisions are now either in iraq, going to iraq, coming back from iraq, getting ready to go to iraq. Nine out of ten. Even as iran and north korea get more dangerous, our troops are overstretched, overextended, under pressure. I intend to double our special forces to conduct antiterrorist operations. I'm going to provide our troops with the newest weapons and the newest technology to save their lives and win the battle, and we will end the back door draft of the national guard and reservists that is taking place today.
[Applause] Ladies and gentlemen, to win the war on terror, you have to know who the terrorists are. You have to know where they are and what they are hiding and plotting, and you have to know what they are planning, and you have to be able to go get them before they get us. Now, how do you do that? Last year i called for the creation of a national intelligence director. I believe that we should have moved earlier and more decisively to strengthen america's intelligence gathering ability. Why? Because we need the best intelligence in the world so that policy has guided by facts, and facts are never distorted by politics. And to get that, to have the best intelligence in the world, to know where usama bin laden is, to know who is plotting what before they come, you've got to have the best cooperation that we've ever had from every country on this planet. I know that we can do a better job of building that cooperation, but to do so, we have to use every tool in our arsenal. Our economic policy, our diplomacy, our nongovernmental organizations, our humanitarian organizations, our values, and our ideals. I will that as presi convinced that if the united states reaches out in a way that we have traditnally with the great alliances of world war i and world war ii and all there our history including the cold war, those alliances have been the bedrock of our strength, and i believe we can do better job of revitalizing those alliances and of taking pressure off the american taxpayer and the american troop. Now, I want to speak today abt other challenge. When the troops who are fighting for us over there come home, we owe them and america -- we owe them an america where they can get the ability to plan a future, get a job that lets them get ahead, an america where military families are part of a growing middle class, not struggling to join them. In his 1933 address to this convention, frank listen roosevelt said you men of the -- franklin roosevelt said you men of the legion have been willing to fight for the benefits of american life, and you have been willing to live for american unity. My friends, i believe that the full duty of the commander-in-chief is to lead an america where the benefits of american life are available to all who have risked their lives defending our country. This is the 100% americanism the legion has always stood for.
[Applause] Our citizen soldiers are hardworking middle class americans who live by real american values, faith and family, service and sacrifice, responsibility and hard work. They need jobs, healthcare, and a good education to live those values, but for the first time, for the first time since the great depression, america has lost jobs. 2.7 million manufacturing jobs in the last fur years alone, more than 45 million -- four years alone, more than 45 million americans don't have any health insurance at all, and some 25 to 30 million don'thave it for part of the year. 5 million americans have lost their healthcare coverage since the year 2000. This year alone more than 220,000 more americans could not afford to go to college. I believe we have an important obligation, and i think you share it. When our soldiers come home and need a job, we believe they deserve better than four more years of rewarding companies that take the jobs overseas. Our plan --.
[Applause] Our plan will close the tax loopholes and actually provide new incentives to create the manufacturing jobs here in america and to increase the numbers of high-paying jobs that we need. When our soldiers find those jobs, we deserve -- we believe that they deserve more than finding a job that pays on average $9,000 les than -- les than the job that we lost that goes -- less than the job than the job that we los goes overseas. Our plan would create the jobs will pay more jobs after a week oes worth in america people can pay their bills provide for their children lift up the quality of their lives and we can do this by moving into new manufacturing techniques by doing science and research, by pushing the curve of discovery as we did in the 1990s when we not only paid down the debt, we not only balanced the budget, we not only cut the deficit, but we created 23 million new jobs at the same time and when our soldiers plan the family budget, we believe that they deserve more than four years of a government that's going deeper and deeper into debt. Ladies and gentlemen, there's nothing conservative about building up deficits as far as the eye can see.
[Applause] Our plan will cut the deficit in half over the course of the next four years. And we will do it bypassing reforms that john mc -- by passing reforms that john mccain and I i have fought for together. To end corporate welfare and by making government stay within a budget just like you do and when our --.
[Applause] And when our soldiers pay their taxes, we believe that they deserve better than a fiscal policy that has actually over the last four years raised the tax burden on the middle class and lowered the tax burden for the wealthiest people in america. We believe that our soldiers when they return deserve a tax policy for the middle class and for working families that will help them pay for healthcare, child care, and sending the son or daughter to college which is why we provide a $4,000 tuition tax credit to help parents be able to do it. And when our soldiers and their families get sick, i really believe that it is part of the moral fiber of our nation, the richest nation on the face of the planet, the only industrial nation in the world not yet to do this, to understand that people deserve more than four more years of rising healthcare costs, unaffordable prescription drugs, skyrocketing premiums, and no plan to do anything about it. Healthcare costs are crushing businesses and individuals alike, and it is one of the reasons so many companies are deciding to move offshore because they need to get out from under. We have a plan to make america more competitive by getting the greed and the waste out of the system. It is not a government plan. There's no new bureaucracy. We don't order you to do anything. You choose your doctor, choose your plan, but we provide powerful incentives that people will grab ahold of and that will save the average family up to $1,000 a year in their premiums. It is the first proposal that I will send to the united states congress next january. We will make healthcare affordable and accessible to all americans.
[Appe] And i intend, i intend to follow it up immediately with by sending back to the congress the flawed prescription drug bill that prohibits medicare, prohibits medicare from actually negotiating a lower price so that you, the taxpayer, and you the senior, can actually put money in your pockets instead of putting it into the pockets of the largest drug companies in america. I'm going to send that bill back, and we are going to get a real medicare prescription drug benefit for seniors in our country.
[Applause] My friends, I just close by saying to you that i have a deep belief that the united states of america has an obligation to see to it that america is not the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't understand the truth about healthcare. Senators and congressmen give themselvess the best healthcare in the world, and they give you the bill. I believe that every american's family is as important in their healthcare as any politician in washington, D.C., And we are going to see to it that you get the healthcare you deserve.
[Applause] My friends, 61 years ago, a world war i veteran sat down on a cold december day, and he thought about the 15 million men and women who would soon return victorious from the second world war. In the middle of a war, he was already thinking abou what kind of america they would come home to, and he dreamed about what kind of america they deserved. A first lieutenant who had joined the army air service. He probably thought about his own trip back to america after world war i, the water beneath him as the boat glided towards the land he loved after a long and tough war. He probably rerecalled the hope that came with his first knock on the door of a home that he'd left years ago and the look of happiness and joy and possibility on the face of a wife and faces of children that he hadn't been sure that he would see again, and on that december 15th day, 1943, in a washington, D.C. Hotel room, this veteran who didn't forget drafted in long hand a piece of legislation that would secure that hope and that possibility for all who returned home to the land they loved. Since its passage sixty years ago, the gi bill of rights has provided education and training for nearly 8 million americans, housing for nearly 2 million families, and led to the creation of the great middle class that we are now trying to save, and for all who know the ideals upon which this organization was founded, it should come as no surprise that the author of that bill was firstlieutenant harry colmery american legion national commander, commander colmery
[Applause] For that act and for his vision commander colmery was an american hero, and he deserved the medal of freedom that congress has called on the president to award him, but to truly honor his memory, we, all of us, must commit ourselves to the work of building up the great american middle class. We have to get over the divisions. We have to find a way not to have a politics that looks for the lowest common denominator, the one that reaches for the highest common denominator. One that finds it possible for people to be able to find the common ground together. John mccain found that common ground with me when together we travele back, and I stood in his prison cell. He and i coming from very different places, but we worked together for our country to strengthen our nation, for our soldiers, for their families, for all those hardworking americans who are looking to build a better life. We have to pursue a path that once again places the american dream within the reach of every american silt seven. And i promise -- citizen. I promise you this, if i am your next president, i will serve with the pledge of the american legion in my heart to uphold the constitution of the united states of america, and safeguard and transmit to posterity the prince pams of justice, fee dom, and -- principles of justice, freedom, and democracy. Thank you and god bless you and god bless the united states of america. Thank you.
[Applause]
I can only think it's that guy's job to spread gloom and doom with every post. He must be getting paid for it.
"Silence and desultory applause tell a larger story."
No kidding! I could almost hear the crickets. Live coverage of this event has hurt him as much if not more than the Swiftvets ads.
99% Stood up to leave, 1% clapped = Standing O spin
Since when does being a Yellow dog mean being an accessory to a traitor? WOW!!!! These people , if they are veterans, are really mixed up.
Bring. It. On.
He can't say nobody was paying attention to him.
you must have one heck of a memory or you can type faster than is humanly possible
Are you serious? That is so great.
No, he only kicked Bush in the balls and second guessed Afghanistan and Iraq and said he had been a huge friend of the Vets. Didn't address the controversy at all.
I watched him go out to shake hands with the crowd. He shook a few and then went back onstage. To me that says there weren't many that wanted to shake his hand. President Bush shook lots of hands.
Very interesting photo of her taken on Sunday though. Did you see that one of them going into church? She seemed to be fairly sedated from something or other.
Go knit.
I don't think that ever was elevated to the level of "rumor". Rank speculation/wishful thinking at best.
Kerry is also planning a midnight rally in Ohio just a couple of hours after the President's nomination speech. This guy has no class whatsoever.
If you are a woman, you are acting like a hysterical woman. It's a little over the top.
Please calm down.
It's called a trial balloon that someone shot down, probably Kerry himself.
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