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Swift boat revisited - (re. Swift boat lies are a leaky tub)
Columbia (Missouri) Daily Tribune ^ | Tuesday, August 31, 2004 | FORREST ROSE

Posted on 08/31/2004 12:50:55 PM PDT by rface

Last week’s column, in which I wrote about a group I called the Swift Boat Liars, generated an unprecedented e-mail response. Within hours of its publication, about 60 e-mails bleeped in my inbox, most of them questioning my veracity, sanity, patriotism or manhood - sometimes all four. If anyone had figured out how to send anthrax by e-mail, I’d be dead already.

One week and a considerable amount of soul-searching later, I must acknowledge that I erred on a couple of points. Among other things, I accused the mainstream news media of swallowing the swift vet stories whole, without critical examination. It now appears that those smears have been pretty thoroughly debunked.

I also said President George W. Bush, by refusing to denounce the smear campaign, was effectively endorsing it. Bush subsequently stepped up and said he believes John Kerry has told the truth about his Vietnam service. That’s not exactly a denunciation, but it’s good enough for me.

In retrospect, it might have been unwise to paint the Kerry-hating swift-boat veterans as politically motivated liars. Even if their accounts don’t square with military records and other available evidence, some might have been honestly mistaken. I reread "The Red Badge of Courage" over the weekend and encourage others to do the same.

Although some of their recollections might be deliberately distorted, most of the swift-boat vets sincerely believe they’re doing the right thing by trying to get Bush a second term. As they see it, the end justifies the meanness.


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this is a response to last weeks column, "Swift boat lies are a leaky tub"
1 posted on 08/31/2004 12:50:55 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface

I'll admit, I was a naysayer. I have never been so pleased to be dead wrong. In my defense, it was the first time in my life.:-)


2 posted on 08/31/2004 12:53:15 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
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To: rface

this clown can't even kiss my ass....he'
s a complete fool


3 posted on 08/31/2004 12:54:08 PM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: rface
I've been following this fairly closely, but I missed where the Swifties were debunked?  The claims I knew were "Christmas in Cambodia", "Purple Hearts 1 and 3", and that Kerry "Cut and Run" durring the Bronze Star Medal.  Oh and that he had a V on his Silver Star.
 
What did I miss?
Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"

4 posted on 08/31/2004 12:54:42 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Fire can be our servant, whether it's toasting S'mores or raining down on Charlie" –Principal Skinn)
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To: Puppage; marlon; CMAC51; MJY1288
last weeks thread by Forrest Rose, Swift boat lies are a leaky tub
5 posted on 08/31/2004 12:56:52 PM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri - monthly donor - bad speller)
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To: The Wizard
Brinkley admitting that the Cambodia story was a fabrication doesn't count. And the Kerry campaign spokesman saying the first PH wound may have been self inflicted doesn't count either.

I suggest Kerry take a mulligan and redo his service in Viet Nam.
6 posted on 08/31/2004 12:57:28 PM PDT by snooker (Looks like the Swifties snookered the dims ...)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Why won't KERRY sue the SWBT and settle the whole thing ??

Or , show his Medical Records and the 100 pages of missing Navy Records ???


7 posted on 08/31/2004 12:58:28 PM PDT by Zenith
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To: rface; Howlin; neverdem; sweetliberty
Hmmmn.

Catch that "reference" (to the Red Badge of Courage) as HE (this writer!) was calling the Swift Boat Vet's liars and cowards?

Accusing the Swift boat vet's of running away from combat, creating excuses, and hiding behind a tree (as others rescued the swimmers and trapped crewman on the injured boat) and fought ....

Gee.

And here MY evidence showed Kerry WAS THE ONE RUNNING AWAY!

Appears to me this writer (Again!) needs a little reminding of WHO is telling the truth, and WHO is hiding behind his friendly liar in the national press corpse!
8 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:22 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: Owl_Eagle

The Swifties were NOT "debunked". They were attacked by Kerry, but not a single thing they said was proven to be untrue.


9 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:41 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: rface
If sixty emails is "unprecedented" for this guy.....

Oh well, he does write for a rather small paper.
10 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:47 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: rface

Future generations of journalists may someday read about Forrest as part of a case study on what killed "Old Media".


11 posted on 08/31/2004 1:00:26 PM PDT by babyface00
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To: rface

Long way to go for a weak pun.


12 posted on 08/31/2004 1:00:36 PM PDT by william clark
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To: rface
If anyone had figured out how to send anthrax by e-mail, I’d be dead already.

Yet another liberal drama queen.

13 posted on 08/31/2004 1:00:51 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN 'Buzzard' KERRY!)
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To: rface

MAN!

Can Forrest Rose make an apology or what!

Eddie Haskell placemarker.


14 posted on 08/31/2004 1:02:18 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: rface
If anyone had figured out how to send anthrax by e-mail, I’d be dead already.

"A chill wind is blowing in this nation."

Jeez! What a drama queen.

15 posted on 08/31/2004 1:03:11 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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"ven if their accounts don’t square with military records"

What part of "Kerry doctored reports that lead to his "official" Navy records" does this dolt not understand?

I guess padding a resume is some completely foreign concept to this person.


16 posted on 08/31/2004 1:06:05 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: rface

OK. So has this super genius figured out how Kerry got a "V" on his Silver Star yet? Until he clears that one, he's just so much hot air.


17 posted on 08/31/2004 1:07:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: rface

From: "TC Rider"
Subject: Forest Rose - Swift Vets
To: editor@tribmail.com


"Although some of their recollections might be deliberately distorted, most of the swift-boat vets sincerely believe they’re doing the right thing by trying to get Bush a second term."

Sir,

You still just don't get it. You obviously have not taken the time to read their book or listen to their interviews. Their work has nothing to do with electing Bush, who many of them voted against in 2000.

It has everything to do with preventing Kerry from becoming Commander in Chief. A man they think is literally, "Unfit to Command".

BTW, you forgot to mention that the Kerry campaign has backed off on Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia tale, as well as admitting that his first purple heart was fraudulently earned. How long before the rest of Kerry's tissue of lies dissolve in the Mekong Delta. All the Swift Vets have asked is for Kerry release all of his records, as Bush has done.

TC Rider
Apex, NC


18 posted on 08/31/2004 1:08:06 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
The Swift Boat Vets have been "debunked" because the elite media has repeatedly said they have been, always referencing the alleged past debunking but never mentioning the actual points which have been debunked.

Goebbels called this "The Big Lie."
19 posted on 08/31/2004 1:08:30 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: rface
"The Red Badge of Courage" was written by a fellow who never saw combat.

Nothing more need be said here.

20 posted on 08/31/2004 1:09:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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