Posted on 08/31/2004 12:56:59 AM PDT by rmlew
Israel represents the synthesis of Pat Buchanan’s paranoid delusions -- rampant interventionism, neo-conservatives (his euphemism for Jews) in charge of the Bush’s foreign policy, American empire and a war on terrorism that can’t be won.
Thus, in his new book – "Where The Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency” -- all roads lead to Jerusalem.
In Buchanan’s fantasy world, were it not for America’s outrageously pro-Israel foreign policy, Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar would be sending us anonymous love letters, the World Trade Center would still be standing, and the Moslem world would be singing “Yankee Doodle Dandy,” in unison, while Saddam Hussein (doing a passable imitation of Jimmy Cagney) tap-danced in the background.
Israel a la Pat is a homicidal, imperialist state – practicing apartheid, deliberately slaughtering civilians, occupying Palestinian land, and subjugating its peaceful inhabitants.
On page 240 of his book, Buchanan approvingly quotes Avraham Burg, who he identifies as a former speaker of the Knesset, concluding that Israel is a “thunderously failed reality,” that “rests on a scaffolding of corruption and on foundations of oppression and injustice.” According to Burg, “the end of the Zionist enterprise is already on our doorstep.”
Pat somehow neglects to mention that Burg, the epitome of the self-loathing Jew, represents the far left of Israeli politics. An architect of the 1993 Oslo Accords, Burg is bitter because his handiwork (now seen as paving the way for the present jihad) has been overwhelmingly rejected by Israeli society.
In other words, Burg is as representative of Israel as Michael Moore is of America.
When it comes to terrorism, Pat practices a moral equivalency worthy of the most slavish Soviet apologists at the height of the Cold War.
Consider the following: “Sharon promised peace and security. Since his provocation on the Temple Mount in September of 2000, he has delivered war and hatred. Over 900 Israelis are dead. Some 3,300 Palestinians have died, including hundreds of children.”
His “provocation on the Temple Mount”? For an Israeli prime minister to visit Judaism’s holiest spot (where the First and Second Temples stood), in Israel’s sovereign territory, is a “provocation”? Besides, Sharon’s visit -- which was approved in advance by the so-called Palestinian Authority -- was a pretext for the violence, which was planned months in advance, as Palestinian leaders have since admitted.
Regarding those dead Palestinians and Israelis, Buchanan overlooks some significant details. Most of the dead Palestinians were fighters killed in confrontations with the Israeli Defense Force. Their civilian dead were overwhelmingly people caught in the crossfire, because brave Palestinian fighters usually choose to challenge the Israelis from civilian enclaves.
Most of the dead Jews were women, children and the aged -- elderly Holocaust survivors attending Passover seders, babes sleeping in their mothers arms, toddlers eating ice cream cones, families with small children taking a break at a pizzeria, shoppers boarding buses, 13-year-old boys dragged off to caves and stoned to death, etc.
There was the April murder of Gaza resident Tali Hatuel, who was riding with her four children (ages 2 to 11), when Arab snipers forced her car off the road. Pat’s precious Palestinians then walked up to the vehicle and shot each passenger at point-blank range. The mother, who was eight-months pregnant, was also shot in the stomach, to ensure that her unborn child didn’t survive. As a pro-lifer, Pat can certainly appreciate that touch.
For crowd control, the IDF uses rubber bullets. The Palestinians go in for bombs packed with flesh-shredding nails, laced with rat poison. As a result, between September 2000 (the start of the latest Intifada) and February 18, 2003, only 38 percent of Palestinian fatalities were noncombatants, compared to 77 percent of Israel’s dead.
Still, Pat gripes: “Sharon declared Arafat a ‘terrorist,’ i.e., a man with whom no Israeli can negotiate, though Arafat had negotiated with four of Sharon’s predecessors and shared a Nobel Peace Prize with two of them, Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres.”
Shared a Nobel Peace Prize? Oh, you mean like North Vietnamese Foreign Minister Le Duc Tho , who coped his with Henry Kissinger for negotiating the Paris Peace Accords – which led directly to the demise of South Vietnam, a string of tropical gulags and a million Vietnamese Boat People. If Pat has his way, Israel will follow South Vietnam in suicide through negotiations.
I liked Buchanan better when he didn’t sound so – French.
FYI, Sharon isn’t the only one who thinks Arafat is a terrorist – so do Bush, Cheney, Powell, Condoleezza Rice and everyone else except the gutless peace-at-any-price Europeans, and Pat Buchanan.
When it comes to Israel, Pat manages to pack more myths and misconceptions into a paragraph than anyone else I know. To wit:
Under the Sharon Plan, Israel will annex all five major settlements on the occupied West Bank. The Palestinian right of return is forfeit. Israel’s security wall will snake in and out of the West Bank. Jerusalem will not be shared with a Palestinian state.”
2) Right of Return – Even after the Palestinians get their state (and Israel gets indefensible borders), Buchanan still wants to see Israel flooded with 6 million refugees – those who left in 1948 and their descendants. If he had any intellectual honesty, he’d admit that this is a prescription for the end of Israel.
3) Security Wall – How inconsiderate of the Israelis to make it harder for suicide bombers to reach their targets! Buchanan has long advocated stationing US troops along our southern border, to prevent the infiltration of illegal aliens. If we have a right to keep out those seeking jobs (and we do), why doesn’t Israel have a right to block the entry of those seeking to blow things up? Ever hear of a Mexican suicide bomber?
4) Jerusalem will not be shared – Why stop at Jerusalem, Pat? Why not also give the Nobel laureate and his peace marchers a slice of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while you’re at it? Or, in fairness, why not give the Sephardic Jews driven from the Arab world in 1948, and their progeny, parts of Cairo, Baghdad and Tehran?
Still, Buchanan raves: “The Sharon Plan is not a peace plan. It is a unilateral solution to be imposed by Israel that no Arab nation will accept. A Palestinian leader who signs on to this surrender of land and rights would be signing his death warrant.” To surrender something, you have to be entitled to it in the first place, no?
Guess what, Pat? Even if Israel gave the Palestinians everything you believe to be theirs by right, it still wouldn’t buy peace – any more than surrender of the Sudentenland bought peace with Nazi Germany.
More than a decade after Oslo, the PLO charter still calls for the annihilation of Israel, as it did when Arafat was accepting his Nobel Peace Prize.
Even when he was pretending to be Israel’s partner in peace, Arafat was telling Arab audiences: We’ll take whatever the Jews are dumb enough to give us, and use it for a base to liberate the rest of Palestine. He even has a name of it – the Plan of Phases.
Without Judea and Samaria (AKA, the West Bank), Israel would be 9 miles wide at its narrow waist. Its eastern border would go from 40 miles to over 200 miles in length – impossible even for the Israeli Army to police. Arab tank columns, in a race to the sea, could cut the nation in half in hours. Controlling the high ground, Palestinians could rain mortar rounds and rockets on an area containing 80 percent of Israel’s population.
Don’t misunderstand me. The Sharon Plan is atrocious. Once the Palestinians have their state, they can begin importing heavy armaments and training commando units to act as an advance column for the rest of the Arab world when the next Middle East war comes – as come it will.
But the fact that Buchanan finds Sharon’s unilateral submission paltry and insufficient, and an insult to the noble Arafat and his heroic people, shows that Pat is either totally detached from reality or has an implacable, blinding hatred of the Jewish state that defies rational explanation. I think it’s a little of both.
Buchanan has constructed a worldview in which all of our troubles with Islam come down to a nation the size of Connecticut, devoid of resources.
I wonder if he ever asks himself why Moslems are killing Hindus in the Kashmir – because Sharon won’t share Jerusalem with Arafat? Or, why Moslems are murdering Christians in Indonesia, oppressing Christians in Egypt and committing genocide in the Sudan (a fact now even acknowledged by hard-core leftist Danny Glover)? Was the foregoing sparked by Sharon’s provocation on the Temple Mount?
Why is Saudi Arabia financing the building of militant mosques all over the United States, while signs in Riyadh proclaim “An Islamic World”? Perhaps the phenomenon is due to Israel’s security fence. Why are Kosovar Moslems burning down Orthodox churches, razing convents and slaughtering Serbs whenever they can lay their hands on them? Could this be a reaction to Neoconservative control of US foreign policy?
Like the Oxford students in the 1930s, who signed petitions vowing they’d never fight for king and country, like the America-Firsters under Charles Lindbergh (who Buchanan reveres), Pat is blind to any reality that threatens to intrude on his cozy, isolationist worldview.
Where The Right Went Wrong is dedicated to Ronald Reagan.
Would you care to know what a real conservative – the greatest conservative of the 20th. century – thought of the Jewish state?
In October 1980, Reagan called for “an undivided Jerusalem” under Israeli sovereignty. In the same speech, he declared, “I believe in the right of settlements in the West Bank.”
In April 1978, Reagan observed, “The present (Carter) administration is dead wrong when it says Israel’s West Bank settlements are ‘illegal.’”
In September 1980, the Gipper explained: “The touchstone of our relationship with Israel is that a secure, strong Israel is in America’s self-interest. Israel’s a major strategic asset to America. Israel is not a client but a very reliable friend.” That view did not change with the end of the Cold War.
In office, Reagan was forced to modify his position on what are called settlements. But he never changed in his opposition to a Palestinian state (“The United States will not support the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.”), or his rejection of negotiations with Arafat and his PLO (who our 40th president consistently branded terrorists).
The man who won the Cold War envisioned Palestinians living in post-1967 Israel exercising a fair degree of autonomy, in some sort of loose federation with Jordan.
In his book, “Broken Covenant,” former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Moshe Arens disclosed, “Meeting President Reagan was like meeting an old friend, and he had a strong feeling of friendship and admiration for Israel that was always apparent in word as well as in deed.”
In light of the foregoing, who has betrayed the Reagan legacy – the neo-conservatives or Patrick J. Buchanan?
Sorry, but you can't tie being a Patriotic American seeking to have Pro American policies implemented with the down right Nazi like behaviour of the current Israeli administration.
No one did. Of course being pro American has nothing to do with being anti-Israel, other than to haters.
Anyway, Jews are Nazis, OK, please, the location of Israel’s concentration camps please, you know the places where they gas the arabs.
The Israeli bombings of Arab buses, please, cite a few.
With all this going on, how come there are still Arabs left in Israel? Why do they get to vote? Your Nazi crap doesn’t hold water.
Like I said, it's a knee jerk mindless defense of Israel which does American patriots no good.
Nothing to support that, other than the mindless jerk analogy. Looking in a mirror?
Buchanan is a great American Patriot, most of the people belittling him on this list don't have rational arguments, they can only repeat the same old same old attacks while at the same time not being able to defend Israeli policies of ethnic cleansing.
Buchanan’s a bigot who recommended bringing supporters of David Duke into the Republican party. Fortunately Pat left. It’s important to distinguish him from Republicans. If you and he want to call yourselves “American Patriots” that fine with me, lots of folks self describe themselves that way, I guess they want people to notice.
Of course not, anyone criticizing ole Patrick must be irrational
Israeli policies of ethnic cleansing, the Nazi thing. I’ll await your examples, jihadist. I for one would like to see the 3 billion in American Aid to Israel brought back home to do some good here. I'd also like to see why all these people here fail to see how many times Israel engages in spying against the US, stealing our nuclear secrets, sharing them with China, and undermining our country. I also fail to see why so many seem to think a thug in a foreign country is ok, as long as the thug is jewish.
Yes, you for one, Pat for two, Nader for three and lots of other folk. Of course support for Israel is overwhelming in both parties, but that’s what makes for third party (if Pat can find one to take him) nuts.
Israel, stealing our nuclear secrets, giving them to China. Sure, they do that every day Examples? AlJezerra and Stormfront don’t count.
BTW, I love Jewish thugs
I'm Pro America and and a Nationalistic American, I am not pro a Nazi-like regime engaged in ethnic cleansing at any cost. What, we have to suspend our rational thinking just because we happen to be dealing with a bunch of thuggish Jews?
Naah, you’re an idiot, your rational thinking is long gone. Us thuggish Jews sent radio waves into your mind.
I'm sorry the guy died, and i feel bad for his family, but I really DO feel out to sea!
And i want to slap the buyer.....
"You people"?
Hey, you're the guy slinging the word 'nazi' around like you know what you're talking about.
If you actually knew anything, you'd know how silly that is (at best) and how repugnant & vile that is.
If anyone deserves the 'nazi' moniker, it rests squarely on the heads of the Palis and their leaders who still have yet to condemn the Pali MURDERERS who kill children in pizzarias and murder pregnant women in their cars.
But, hey, to do that you'd have to admit to facts and so far you've shown a remarkable lack of willingness to state fact.
The timing couldn't have been worse though.
But such is life with it's odd circumstances.
The buyer, however, needs a quit boot and maybe a skyhook wedgie.
(Picked up from his chair and hauled skyward very quickly.. by his skivvies.)
Yo, Smocker, what Nazi like behaivior? The wall to keep out terrorists or the camps where the Jews gas the Arabs. Facts, please.
Sure, I do, think, I think that giving 3 billion in aid to a country willing to spy on us and to sell our secrets to our enemies is a really stupid thing to do. I am willing to bet it's also unpatriotic…If you'd bother doing a little more research other than reading the knee jerk israeli lobby propaganda maybe some truth would get out and Americans could discuss the issue without being beholden to the Israeli lobby...Are you a Mosad plant?
Right, tiamat’s a Mossad plant because she supports Israel. They run the country, you know. Better look under your bed tonight, might be a Mossad agent there, they’ve already got control of your computor.
As to aid, who cares about Green party freaks and brigadiers, Republican’s and Democrats are overwhelmingly supportive, and you folk are getting fewer and fewer. Of course Republican’s and Democrats are stupid, I understand, you fringe folk are the source of all wisdom, facts notwithstanding.
I'm trying to stay calm.
Life is what happens when we have other plans....
I agree about the buyer....
( Keep slugging the troll, Champ! You're doing fine! )
Not really minor, possibly instructive
Isreal, as in Is-Real, the question implied, is standard usage at many hate sites, mostly the white supremecist rather than jihadist type. Every once in a while a poster forgets where he is
Hey!
If I'm a Mossad plant do I get a secret ring or something?
Or a utility belt?
"Nazi-like behavior" like building a barrier in an attempt to protect its citizens against terrorist attacks (like the one today?) Or is allowing Israeli Arabs to fully participate in the political process the "Nazi-like behavior" you're referring to? (By contrast, Jews aren't even allowed to exist in most Arab countries, and participation in the political process is out of the question, of course. ......because there is no political process in the Arab world).
I for one would like to see the 3 billion in American Aid to Israel brought back home to do some good here.
The $3 billion is lent and consistently paid back in full. Why don't you complain about the $2 billion in we send to Egypt, a nation whose state-run newspapers and schools regurgitate anti-American propaganda and thus fan the flames of anti-American sentiment throughout the Arab/Islamic world?
I'd also like to see why all these people here fail to see how many times Israel engages in spying against the US, stealing our nuclear secrets, sharing them with China, and undermining our country.
You have no evidence that Israel has stolen our nuclear secrets and given them to China. (Far more evidence exists that President Bill Clinton sold nuke our secrets to the Chinese for re-election cash). Wishing it (to justify your views) doesn't make it so.
The $2 billion/yr. in U.S taxpayer dollars, that is.
LOL!
I like it!
Thanks!
He really doesn't want me to start dragging out info.
We'll be at this all day and he'll be following links all night.
Like the fact that the PLO charter (Retooled slightly for it's incarnation as the PLA) stills states that it exists solely to 'drive Israel into the sea'.
If the Palis were SO intelligent and SO wise, then they'd renounce terrorism and wars of aggression.
Considering that history shows that they haven't and points to the fact that they won't..
You mean like researching the spelling of a critical organization of a country about which you are such an expert?
Well, the Palis aren't wise.
How can we tell?
They waste their kids.
Nihilism at it's "finest".
Exactly.
Smocker reminds me of Patria One/Harvard Man/Sam Melluso.
Okay.
I admit it.
I don't know who Patria One/Harvard Man/Sam Melluso are.
I await instruction, please.
"Many of Isreal's problems are self inflicted."
Oh, I see.
Israel invaded their own borders repeatedly, blew up the pizzaria themselves, send out women and children rigged with explosives, blow up busses themselves and run hamas.
It's all clear now!
No, but I am the President of the Sisterhood branch of La Kosher Nostra.
Harvard Man/Sam Melluso was a really rabid anti-semite who tried to say that there never was Solomon's temple, despite there being record of Nebachadnezzar sacking it, and he went on to state that there had never been Herod the Great's temple there either, despite the Arch of Titus dedicating the AD 70 burning of the temple.
He cited 'Aztlan.org' as his website of proof.
He's been banned long ago, and I haven't seen him since.
He used to retread repeatedly to post his drivel.
He was one of the clowns I debated way back when I first signed on to FR.
Sabertooth ran into him as well, dunno if he recalls it offhand, I haven't asked him.
Speaking of Sabes..
Sabertooth, got a thread for you to check out.
And check out, when you get the chance, posts 24, 61, and others.
When you get the chance though.
Long read.
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