Posted on 08/30/2004 5:34:58 AM PDT by SJackson
I was pointing out the Talmud grants property rights to tenants who work the land, who you were disdaining and dismissing as having none. This is a universalist ideal as well.
It is hardly a universal ideal. A nanny does not own the room that she sleeps in when working at a families house. This is even more true if the house was stolen.
If you really want to start talk about Divine Land Grants though, lets talk about Deuteronomy 28 and 29.
What is your point? God has punished Israel. He has also forgiven Israel. Perhaps you forgot the Babylonian exhile.
You presume that a covenant no longer exists. Are you calling God a liar?
Is replacement theology the actual basis of your anti-Zionism?
By your logic, I should never use the word "kosher", or refer to the "Yom Kippur" war.
Not at all. They exist in your Bible too.
I fear the practice will become standard in ALL circles, and B.C. and A.D. will go the way of Christmas Break, that is now called Winter Break or the like.
I understand your point, but your quarell is with quisling Christians following PC orthodoxy, not with Jews.
The passage was clearly cited from an online edition of the Talmud, not some anti-semitic screed.
This is even more true if the house was stolen.
Yes, like the houses of Palestinians.
Is replacement theology the actual basis of your anti-Zionism?
I'm not a subscriber to "replacement theology" (the Catholic Church teaches that the Church is a continuation of Israel, not its replacement; and it certainly has always included many in the House of Israel from the beginning, starting with the Apostles), and I am not anti-Zionist - Jews certainly had and have as much a right to emigrate to Palestine as Arabs do and did. I do think that Israel's ultimate survival requires civilized behavior on their part, even if it faces barbarians. I have no objections to keeping E. Jerusalem, the Golan, or parts of the West Bank (in fact, it would be good if Israel kept Bethlehem, in my prejudiced Christian view). I do think Israel needs to make a clean break from Gaza and the rest of the West Bank, and applaud the security wall and proposed withdrawal as inspired measures. And I think the dispossessed Arab civilians should be given financial reparation by Israel without a quid pro quo demanding Arab reparations for displaced Jews. Someone must take the first step (and to Israel's shame, it looks like Libya is the one who has done so).
Essentially, get out, and let the Palestinians sink or swim (probably sink) on their own.
Israel needs to get away from the focus on the Muslim/Palestinian problem, and move on to its future with the EU trading bloc, like Greek Cyprus is doing, and like Israel and Lebanon should do.
Is your answer an historical analysis or a rationalization for the mistreatment by Poles of the Jews?
I suspect, though I admit my knowledge of Polish history is sketchy, that the Poles mistreated the Jews because they were an easy target.
Probably, the Polish peasants were mistreated by their own nobility, whose actions were from my reading of history a prime factor in Poland's decline as a great power.
Unable to strike at the source of their oppression, the peasants struck at a convenient and defenseless target - the Jews.
I believe the Polish nobility used the Jews as tax collectors in later years. The old "divide and conquer" tactic.
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