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To: patriciaruth
3,000 people in America had a lot more right to stay alive on September 11, 2001, than Iranians have a right to build a nuclear power plant.

I dont think these 2 issues have any relation with each other.

Whether you realize this or not, your leaders had a hand in helping those who perpetrated the evil murder of so many of our citizens and foreign visitors on that day.

They are not my elected leaders. They are some mullahs who came to power here by the help of your president (Carter) and your allies in Europe.

You will be very lucky indeed if the only price your country pays is the loss of a nuclear plant you don't need.

Iranian people need that nuclear plant and we will finish it cause we paid money for this.

You've been sold a lie that you need this plant. You have enough oil to generate electricity for many lifetimes. I agree it's stupid of the world to burn organic chemical compounds for energy when they can be used to create many fabulous things instead, but the answer to that is solar power satellites, not nuclear power plants.

We have no enough oil to burn for electricity. We have started that project and we will have to finish this. This project money was my money, my country money... I don't think you have the right to tell me what to do with my own money. I dislike Nuclear bomb and I hate the mullahs in Iran but it does not prevent me from having peaceful nuclear energy to produce electricity.

Perhaps after your fascist leaders are gone, we can discuss this again. But right now, we are at war with all regimes that sponsor terror against us. That means we are at war with Iran.

Once again, these are not my elected leaders.

48 posted on 08/31/2004 5:33:54 AM PDT by Khashayar (Learn Geography!)
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To: Khashayar
They are some mullahs who came to power here by the help of your president (Carter) and your allies in Europe.

I voted for Gerald Ford. Carter was an idiot.

I agree with you completely that his not supporting the Shah opened the door to worldwide islamofascism (distinctly different from Islam).

However, each country is ultimately responsible itself for its government. Your country will never be free if you look to scapegoat your problems rather than facing them and correcting them yourself.

If you don't understand the linkage between the deaths of my countrymen and women on 9/11 and Iran's nuclear power plant, then you have a lot to learn.

Just how many barrels of oil in your reserves do you have that you think is not enough?? I really challenge your assertions here. You are either brainwashed, totally misinformed, or lying about your energy reserves and "need" for a nuclear power plant.

53 posted on 08/31/2004 10:38:21 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Khashayar

Rather than violent revolution, you may wish to think seriously about non-violent civil disobedience as a means to revolution.

There have been several very successful uses of this method in history--like Ghandi leading India to throw off the colonial rule of Britian in the 1930's and 1940's.

It was the method that Martin Luther King, Jr. used in our country to get civil rights (equal treatment) for black people in the United States in the 1960's.

An American philosopher, Thoreau, discussed this idea in the 19th century.

And when Jerusalem was occupied by the Roman Empire 2000 years ago, Yeshuah, whom we believe to be the Christ, advised his countrymen to overwhelm their oppressors with love and humor and not with hate. Give them more than they demand and shame them. If they slap you on the face, turn the other cheek.

The non-violent civil disobedience method may be a good strategy for a revolution in your country. You start with a small disobedience of a very unpopular law, and you take the consequences for disobeying it. If you have enough support, you can overwhelm their jails and courts and people will not be happy to see so many of their children taken from them to be punished. It can provoke a more wide spread understanding of the injustice you are fighting.

But one must take blows and not strike back for this method to work, and one must accept that some will die, at the beginning maybe many will die. You have to sicken the ones that punish you with the evil of the punishment, so they will see the wrong of it.

You have to change hearts and minds with your sacrifices and your soft spoken, loving discussion of the wrong you are trying to right. Anger and clenched fists and shouting will turn people away from your just cause, so they must be avoided.

It's very late here. I hope to find out your responses to this discussion tomorrow.


58 posted on 09/01/2004 4:07:28 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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