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It's not just our own welfare class, we're bringing in all Mexico's.

You want to start a thread about THAT abuse ... I'm there with you and a major ally. We'll make a difference strategically, like only FR can. Let's go after welfare, let's find a legal way to restart Prop 187 and get some money and legal talent behind Arizona's Prop 200. Let's get a plan together, because nobody is happy or secure with the immigration/border status in the chaos it currently is.

That's where we need to start to stem the tide of people sneaking across our soverign borders. At the immigrant DEMAND center, which Liberal Welfare corrupts heinously. The fat-assed Liberal chicks in your county Welfare offices are hosting program "greet and meets" for fresh over the border skilless Illegals, and you guys are blaming Asa Hutchinson.

Now, the issue of the 5, 6, 10 ... God knows how many ... illegals already here can only be addressed through voluntary identification and security from immediate deportation. We need to take an inventory and process these people in a humane way ... or they're just going to be here anyway absent knowing who they are or what they are doing. Bush's proposal was pragmatic and measured and HAD fines and sanctions for the misdemeanor miscreants in our communities.

I want to isolate the bad actors in our midst. They're not Mexicans harvesting sugar beets in Marshall, MN. They're Jihad killers. Security trumps hurt feelings and abused sensibilities at this point. We need an inventory.

The way border security and immigration issues are corruptly framed and stupidly discussed on FR really, really pi$$es me off. It's obscene.

I'd be satisfied if they ended welfare for illegals and legal immigrants -- we're seeing a large number of indigent elderly being brought over by relatives to get SSDI and Medicaid, I'd end it for citizens too but that might not be as easy. AND get rid of the illegals committing document fraud to take the jobs that Americans would gladly do. Since they're committing a felony crime, the penalties should be very harsh. And the businesses which use illegal "contract" labor to avoid following wage and labor laws should have to pay dearly. They should shut down the smuggling rings and deport all immigrants who commit crimes.

Then a real guest worker program where farms bring in seasonal workers by transporting them safely from and back to Mexico after a 3 or 4 month work period. Leave the non-working family members back home, make sure enough earnings get to them so they aren't abandoned which is common now.