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To: tpaine
The Declaration of Independence clearly states that the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" entitle us to govern ourselves.

Is the Declaration of Independence unconstitutional too, along with Thanksgiving, Christmas, school prayer, the pledge of allegiance, and every State Constitution?

Your outright rejection of the principles this nation was founded upon show that either you are completely ignorant of what these principles were, or you misrepresent yourself as a champion of liberty when in fact you are an enemy of religious freedom, and therefore an enemy of the Republic.

143 posted on 08/31/2004 10:25:19 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Mr. Paine has departed altogether from the principles of the Revolution - J.Q.Adams)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Declaration of Independence clearly states that the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" entitle us to govern ourselves.

Yes, it certainly does. And the phrase was written by the Deist, Thomas Jefferson.

He also reported to us that the attempt was made to insert the words "Our Lord, Jesus Christ" after the work "Creator" in the Declaration, and that the founders voted it down.

The fact that the founders were religious men, even deeply religious men, does not support your contention that they intended to found a "Christian" theocracy. Indeed, given their votes like the above, and the absence of any stated intent to found a "Christian" theocracy, makes it clear you're all wet on this contention.

145 posted on 08/31/2004 11:34:05 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Tailgunner Joe
My quotes from Locke were meant to show that your side cannot claim him as an advocate of the "Separation of Church and State." This nation was founded on the Laws of Nature and Nature's God. Self-government and religious toleration is God's design. Those are the principles of Locke.
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The Declaration of Independence clearly states that the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" entitle us to govern ourselves.

Yes, it does. -- And that "Natures God entitles us" to do anything is a personal opinion of the men that wrote the Declaration.
-- I have no problem with that opinion as written.
-- I have a problem with YOU, joe, -- and your claim that such opinions authorise our governments to ignore the principle of separation of church & state.

Your outright rejection of the principles this nation was founded upon

Idiotic, unfounded claim, joe. -- I've supported our Constitution on FR for six years. I swore an oath to support & defend it almost 50 years ago, one I've honored.

show that either you are completely ignorant of what these principles were, or you misrepresent yourself as a champion of liberty when in fact you are an enemy of religious freedom, and therefore an enemy of the Republic.

Babble on joe. You're making a fool of yourself with these unfounded accusations.

Sorry Pain, this thread is about the Christian roots of our form of government.

No, this thread is about your fanatical insistence that there is no need for a separation of church & state. The establishment clause says otherwise.

People like you want keep out of government anyone whose view of the divine inspiration of our laws and form of government is consistent with the views of the Founders of the Republic.

Sheer bull, joe. I, nor anyone here have ~ever~ said ANYthing about keeping anyone out of office that is prepared to swear an oath to support the Constitution as the supreme Law of the Land.

Can you swear such an oath Joe? Is our Constitution the "supreme Law of the Land" to you?

147 posted on 08/31/2004 12:22:02 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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