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Boulder's brilliant step back Voter Fraud
Denver Post ^ | August 26, 2004 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 08/29/2004 1:14:33 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

Here's a textbook example of how government operates:

A substantial portion of the population believes that our balloting system is flawed.

The government solution? Make the system more convoluted and less resistant to fraud.

In 2000, some Democrats in Florida had a tough time dealing with a simple punch card and ended up voting for a Reform Party candidate who many Republicans would admit had certain subtle fascist tendencies.

So, instead of simplifying the voting process and creating a verifiable ballot system to avoid a repeat of the ugliness, we're being pushed to embrace a problematic touch-screen system.

Electronic ballots have been rushed to the market to pacify calls for voter reform. It's a big mistake.

Electronic ballots can be miscounted as easily as paper ones. In fact, with computerized voting, it's only a matter of time before some smart-aleck teenage hacker puts a Libertarian in the White House so he can buy pot legally.

A preemptive strike at voter confidence in these systems has already been fired. Greenwood Village-based CIBER, for example, which produces many of these machines, has been outed as a hive of GOP supporters.

By donating to campaigns, these employees haven't done anything illegal, of course, but we all know Republicans can't be trusted.

Since plenty of people have comparable views about their Democratic counterparts, we all need to agree on a sensible solution.

For the first, and perhaps only time, I turn to Boulder for the answer.

Boulder has come up with a technological solution that is astonishingly trouble-free and, for the most part, resistant to fraud.

It's called a paper ballot.

"We don't believe touch-screen voting is secure," explains Boulder County Commissioner Paul Danish. "I am personally uncomfortable with it, as are a large number of our constituents. And it's pretty clear this stuff is not ready for prime time."

Danish, who was perfectly happy with the punch-card system previously used in Boulder, doesn't point to conspiracies for his reason, though he admits that concern exists in Boulder.

The commissioner points to widespread reports of computer problems with the new machines. Boulder is only doing away with punch ballots because of a congressional mandate to do so.

A review committee in Boulder, made up of representatives of the major and minor political parties and a slew of other experts, was convened.

They decided on a system called Hart Ballot Now, which scans each ballot to create a digital image.

Boulder County Clerk Linda Salas says that with this system, you can project the ballots on a screen to review.

"Our county did not want any kind of electronic voting system at the precinct level," says Salas. "They wanted to vote a ballot and drop it into the ballot box, because there is less ability to have failures in the system."

One of the only complaints about the new system is the slow result times.

Danish says one of the major objectives here is to maintain people's confidence in the system. Getting results in a reasonably timely manner is certainly part of that.

But he's not getting hung up on the media's need to report early. And anyway, nobody in the media would argue that it's better to be first than to be right (as if Boulder's results in the national races are ever in question).

"People certainly want results as they become available," says Danish. "It's kind of a tradition in this country. But the fact is, this isn't a race between counties to see who gets there first with the results. It's to see who gets there more accurately."

Danish is right. Keep it simple. Paper ballots work. And a slower result is still better than a 36-day recount.

David Harsanyi's column appears Monday and Thursday. Contact him at 303-820-1255 or dharsanyi@denverpost.com .


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KEYWORDS: ballots; colorado; election; electronicvoting; votefraud
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1 posted on 08/29/2004 1:14:34 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: GeronL; Chieftain; gatorbait; writer33; GreyFriar; americanmother; The Mayor; Seadog Bytes; ...

As if the news could not be more bleak on the ethics of the right to vote.


2 posted on 08/29/2004 1:17:19 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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To: Former Military Chick

It was the media and the left that called for the electronic touch screen voting systems.


3 posted on 08/29/2004 1:17:21 AM PDT by GeronL ("This is going to be a recordbreaking year for election fraud by the Democrats.")
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To: GeronL

Thank you. I posted this in the event they have family/ friends living in the area and might be unaware of such events.

It is just a thought.


4 posted on 08/29/2004 1:31:11 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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To: Former Military Chick
Paper ballots that are machine scanned are the way to go. Very cost effective. They have an obvious paper trail. Of course we squandered millions on touch voting machines instead. I live in Broward, one of the disputed Florida counties in year 2000.
5 posted on 08/29/2004 1:52:14 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Former Military Chick
"Boulder's brilliant step back Voter Fraud"

...also known in Colorado as "The People's Republic of Boulder."
6 posted on 08/29/2004 2:10:57 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop
Thank you for the clarification. When I ran across this one, I found this one ... Aurora man is accused of forging registration papers
7 posted on 08/29/2004 2:19:10 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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To: familyop
We should push this for all it is worth. It is one thing the far left and constitutionalists can agree on, a simple, reliable, accountable, voting system.

And, the beautiful thing about it is, if such a system were put in place nationwide, the conservatives/liberterians win big, because the democrats are far more prone to vote fraud than people who have morals and principles.

8 posted on 08/29/2004 5:59:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Former Military Chick
That still leaves the Dems with a lot of tricks. Dead or non existent voters. Nursing home help filling out the ballots for the patients. Absentee ballots which dominate in Washington State allow an easy way to stuff the box.
9 posted on 08/29/2004 6:00:09 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Former Military Chick
What I'd like to see is a dual system -- a touch screen system that produces a paper ballot, both of which are counted.
10 posted on 08/29/2004 8:53:31 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: dennisw

I live in Broward, too. Only idiots can't handle touch screens.

Or Alzheimer patients.


11 posted on 08/29/2004 9:28:38 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: dennisw
Paper ballots that are machine scanned are the way to go.

Excuse me, y'all had paper (punch card) ballots that were machine tabulated and the Dems tried to engineer a coup d'état.

Machine talleys (like Florida 2000) at least have the advantage of being unbiased.

12 posted on 08/29/2004 9:51:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Imagine no hypothetical situations.)
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To: GeronL
It was the media and the left that called for the electronic touch screen voting systems.

As in, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!!!

13 posted on 08/29/2004 9:54:37 AM PDT by null and void (Kerry can't cut the mustard...)
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To: Former Military Chick

Now how do we make SURE that only legal voters are voting.

Motor Voter law is the main avenue to fraud.

Double registration.

Dead people on the registration lists.

It goes on and on.

No wonder the pundits talk about how low a voter turnout it is each election. The registration lists are bloated with dead, double, felon, and illegal intruder voters. Some serious purging of the registration lists needs to be done. Everyone thinks this is a joke. Look at it long and hard. It is not funny.

Would you pay a district or a school for "students" which don't exist>?? I think not. What is the difference?


14 posted on 08/29/2004 9:59:30 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Former Military Chick

Voter registration drives are the first step to absentee ballot fraud.

There is no cross-checking of polls with absentee ballot voting.


15 posted on 08/29/2004 10:01:42 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: GeronL
It was the media and the left that called for the electronic touch screen voting systems.

Yup.

It's also a lie that some voters were confused by the ballot and accidentally voted for Buchanan.

The left lies, period. Lies and lies and then lies some more.

16 posted on 08/29/2004 10:15:07 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Former Military Chick
Thanks for linking to that article. From it:

Lee hired numerous petition circulators in Colorado, including MaCarthy, and paid them $3 for every Democratic and unaffiliated voter they registered.

Surprise surprise surprise

17 posted on 08/29/2004 10:17:14 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: marktwain
It is one thing the far left and constitutionalists can agree on, a simple, reliable, accountable, voting system.

The far left will never agree on that.

Here in Arizona when the dems held the first ever primary including online voting, I opined to my lib friend that it seemed rife with fraud possibilities. She agreed but thought this was a good thing. (We no longer speak)

18 posted on 08/29/2004 10:18:56 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Former Military Chick

So we can expect Boulder to be one of the last Colorado counties reporting and, if it's close, be able to manufacture thousands of extra votes at the last minute for Kerry. How original!

Methinks the Democrats just don't know how to rig the new system so they are staying with the tried and true methods they already know how to rig.

I think the Dems are preparing a massive vote fraud the likes of which we have never seen before. It means that much to them.


19 posted on 08/29/2004 10:26:00 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: ridesthemiles

Congress passed and Bush signed a Help America Vote Act (HAVA) in 2002 and part of it is about cleaning up the voting rolls nationwide. Problem is that the deadline for compliance is beyond 2004.


20 posted on 08/29/2004 10:30:13 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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