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To: TigersEye
This article pertains to our recent discussions...

See post #81: Alexander Hamilton's treatise on the Electoral College...

BTW, W has been reading about Hamilton lately...

172 posted on 08/29/2004 4:35:38 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine; Remember_Salamis
Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.

Hello .30Carbine! We agree on something: the EC is a superb institution, and Hamilton does indeed explain it well, quoting Alexander Pope: "For forms of government let fools contest -- That which is best administered is best."

Hamilton was also a proponent of the right for individual citizens to keep and bear military-grade weapons.

He was also a defender of the state's neutrality with respect to religious beliefs writing in Federalist 51, " In a free government the security for civil rights must be the same as that for religious rights. It consists in the one case in the multiplicity of interests, and in the other in the multiplicity of sects."

179 posted on 08/29/2004 5:11:22 AM PDT by risk
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To: .30Carbine
Many people realized then for the first time that we have a system in which the president is chosen not by the voters themselves, but by 538 electors.

This must be due to the pathetic results of a federally funded education system run by self-interested NEA Union twits.

It's a ridiculous setup, which thwarts the will of the majority,...

That is the purpose of it.

... and has the potential to produce a true constitutional crisis.

To a liberal finding a smear of Rum Raisin on their Chunky Monkey ice cream cone is a Constitutional crisis.

There should be a bipartisan movement for direct election of the president.

If we are going to talk in terms of an ideal world; there should be a unilateral push to drive all liberals into the nearest ocean. It's an imperfect world. Live with it.

The main problem with the Electoral College is that it builds into every election the possibility, which has been a reality three times since the Civil War, that the president will be a candidate who lost the popular vote.

None of which produced a Constuhtoooshunuhl crisis and somehow we remained a nation preeminent in nearly every way.

This shocks people in other nations who have been taught to look upon the United States as the world's oldest democracy.

Is the NEA exporting its debauched view of America or have these turd-world backwaters come to their own misinformed conclusions? We have never been a democracy.

Ask any graduate of the public school system what a republic is. You won't find out what a republic is but if you've ever wondered what a heroin addict looks like the moment they get a fix you'll have it. The addict will sober up in a few hours.

The fact that every one gets three automatic electors - one for each senator and a House member - means states that by population might be entitled to only one or two electoral votes wind up with three, four or five.

Does this statement make any sense whatsoever? I suppose it does to the heroin addict thus the attempt to anesthetize us with the previous paragraphs of BS.

A few swing states take on oversized importance, leading the candidates to focus their attention, money and promises on a small slice of the electorate. We are hearing far more this year about the issue of storing hazardous waste at Yucca Mountain, an important one for Nevada's 2.2 million residents, than about securing ports against terrorism, a vital concern for 19.2 million New Yorkers.

IOWs "we live next to ports in NYC that might be bombed so who gives a rats heiny about nuclear waste next door to some Nevada hicks over 2,000 miles away?" The obvious fact that a national security issue effects everyone and will be of interest to everyone and will have to be addressed by whomever takes office and the state issue won't is ignored. They also fail to reveal (as is the sworn duty of all liberal propagandists) that federal incursion on property rights is probably a bigger issue for most Nevadans than storing sealed canisters of nuclear waste several miles below ground in rock that hasn't budged since it was laid down in the dawn times.

The small states are already significantly overrepresented in the Senate, which more than looks out for their interests.

Every state has no more and no less than two Senators so it defies the most tortured logic to state that any state is 'over represented.' The 17th Amendment has created a situation whereby a Senator's main avenue of attention to his/her state's interests is by funneling pork to it which must be siphoned from some other state or states and ultimately all the taxpayers. Popularly elected Senators vs legislatively appointed Senators have little accountability to the state proper whose interests the Senate was originally instituted to represent. The 'people' have their Congressmen/women to represent them thus the apportionment by population thus the check and balance of the original intent.

The interests of people from Puerto Rico scarcely come up at all, since they are mainly settled in areas already conceded as Kerry territory. The emphasis on swing states removes the incentive for a large part of the population to follow the campaign, or even to vote.

I guess we can chalk that up to the downside of liberty. We all have the freedom to be stupid. To swallow swill like this article and to act like sheep to the slaughter giving in to a destiny preordained by some self-appointed authority who claims to know more than our Founding Fathers and more about what our Founders instituted than they did and has your best interests at heart more than the Founders did who risked life, family and fortune to themselves live under their ill-conceived system.

We are free to believe that the system of self-governance, checked and balanced powers and individual liberties was rigged against us from the start and continue to vote for those who promise higher taxes, more regulations and less responsibilities while delivering hobbled industries, a dependent poverty class and a burgeoning bureaucratic class of 'wise masters' who are not masters of anything but the subservient classes they depend upon.

We are free to believe their proclamations that we are meaningless and just give in entirely not making the effort to think or vote. It is the last freedom. The freedom to submit to slavery voluntarily. You are free to vote for liberalism, socialism and communism. You are free to vote the destruction of our REPUBLIC. And you are free to sit their and diddle yourself while you watch it all happen. Enjoy! After your last freedom is spent there will be work stations and gulags. There will be equality aplenty. No exceptions for race, gender, age, infirmity or any other distinction. 5% of you will be lucky enough to get to kiss enough butts to be a Kissed Butt.

204 posted on 08/29/2004 8:26:23 AM PDT by TigersEye (They hang traitors don't they?)
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