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1996: Kerry judged false decorations 'very wrong'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 8/28/04 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 08/28/2004 11:16:52 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Delta 21

I think that sKerry has been telling so many lies for so long, that he no longer even knows what the truth is. That's one of the huge differences between him and BJ Klintoon; BJ at least knew he was full of sh!+, but he had people around him who were very good at spinning it.


41 posted on 08/28/2004 12:51:30 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Dutch Boy
IMHO - This one is going to be very hard to explain away.

It will make no difference, except to we wonks on forums like this one.

Sadly I have moved beyond optimistic pessimism to a fatalistic view of Western Civilization, we can only slow the decline.

42 posted on 08/28/2004 12:53:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Delta 21
Washington Post 8/21/04

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published
Kerry's full military records on their Web site
(with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year),
they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records.
A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information.
A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan,
said he was not authorized to release the full file,
which consists of at least a hundred pages. "

TRANSCRIPT: 8/26/04
Steve Gardner, Foregunner, PCF44:
http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember.

John Kerry hasn't been honest - he has been deceitful.

John Kerry claims that he spent Christmas, in 1968, in Cambodia.

And that is catagorically a lie. Not in December. Not in January.

We were never in Cambodia on a secret mission. Ever."


Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004


NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE


The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War

PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Send this url for the Steve Gardner video

http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/


Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

43 posted on 08/28/2004 1:01:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: wagglebee
Tagline B U M P ! ! !
44 posted on 08/28/2004 1:04:42 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

I have a question.On another thread,and on a TV interveiw,IIRC, someone said that kerry took 10lbs out of his personal "bag" of 100 lbs that each sailor was allowed to carry with him.

Most manual typewriters have distiction that makes them "identifiable" from say another manual typewriter,by either a key with a slight imperfection that repeats the imperfection everytime it is used, or by the typing style of the same user on said typewriter,(which I think the FBI used this method to link the "Uni-bomber" to some of his "letters").

Is there any way to see if some of the kerry "reports" were typed up in this way as compared to maybe something else kerry typed durring that period ???

..sorry all....just a thought....


45 posted on 08/28/2004 1:05:59 PM PDT by musicman
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To: spokeshave; wagglebee; VOA
Didn't it come out much later that he was in fact entitled to the additional "V" decoration....?

No. That's what the MSM wants you to believe. Despite the Clinton/Dalton/Zumwalt/Boorda family spin to the contrary, Boorda was not and is still not entitled to wear the Combat V on either the Navy Achievement Medal or Navy Commendation Medal. So says a unanimous vote by the Board for Corrections of the Naval Records in June of 1997. Incidentally, Boorda stopped wearing the V device on both awards in 1995, a year prior to killing himself.

46 posted on 08/28/2004 1:20:46 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wagglebee; SpyGuy; Dutch Boy; itsahoot; Mia T

From the Chicago Sun Times 28 Aug 04:

"Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

From the Apocrypha, Ecclesiasticus 4:28: "Fight to the Death for Truth, and the Lord God will fight on your side."


47 posted on 08/28/2004 1:23:29 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: mtntop3

Thanks! Definitely a synergy here. We must pursue it!


48 posted on 08/28/2004 1:31:12 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Google with the exact "Board for Corrections of the Naval Records" and added word "Boorda"
only got me your post and the link below with the text from the middle of the webpage:


http://members.aol.com/themilenia/News437.index.html


Boorda's Navy Record Remains Same
Admiral Committed Suicide After Questions Arose About His Combat Decorations

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (July 3) - The official record of Adm. Jeremy ''Mike'' Boorda, who committed suicide amid questions about his combat decorations, will continue to show he did not earn them, the Navy has decided.

A board of three civilians recommended last month that the record remain unaltered, Navy spokesman Capt. Mark Van Dyke said Friday. The ruling was upheld by Carolyn Becraft, who has the final say as assistant secretary of the Navy for manpower and reserve affairs.

Boorda, who joined the Navy at 16 and became the only enlisted man to rise to chief of naval operations, took his life in 1996 after 40 years of service. He was about to be asked by Newsweek reporters about why he wore Combat Vs - tiny bronze letters standing for ''valor.''

The decorations were attached to a Navy Achievement Medal awarded in 1968 and a Navy Commendation Medal awarded in 1973.

In a suicide note ''to my sailors,'' Boorda said he felt disgraced.

Last year, then-Navy Secretary John Dalton placed a memo in Boorda's file - backed by another memo from Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr., the Vietnam War-era chief of naval operations - that declared him eligible to have worn the decorations.

Dalton said only the Navy review board could officially change the record to say Boorda had the right to wear them.

The Boorda family petitioned the Board for Corrections of the Naval Records last September to change the record and show he was entitled to wear the decorations.

''The final decision was there was no error or injustice in Adm. Boorda's record and the panel was unanimous in their recommendation,'' Van Dyke said.

He provided the information to The Associated Press after an inquiry prompted by the state of Illinois' decision to award a $20,000 grant for a memorial in Boorda's hometown, Momence, about 50 miles south of Chicago.

Boorda removed the decorations from his ribbons in 1995, on the advice of the Navy's Office of Awards and Special Projects.

Dalton's memo says the citations justifying the awards ''plainly state they were awarded for service including combat operations.'' Zumwalt's memo said it was ''appropriate, justified and proper'' for Boorda to have the decorations.

Wearing an unauthorized decoration is a severe breach of military protocol.


49 posted on 08/28/2004 1:31:23 PM PDT by VOA
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To: shield
I'm hearing in the wind....Kerry may be recalled by the Navy and tried for falsification of his decorations and sent to military prison.

Nice to dream about, but it'll never happen. Only a Republican can be disgraced by "inconsistencies" in his record.

50 posted on 08/28/2004 2:16:35 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I didn't dream that....I've been hearing it....probably after the election that President Bush WINS!!!

Let's hope our country returns to the straight and narrow...and goes after bums like him!!! Parts of the Navy...we call The Cowboys!! Wouldn't put this pass that group--The Cowboys--

51 posted on 08/28/2004 2:22:22 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: shield
I didn't dream that....I've been hearing it....probably after the election that President Bush WINS!!!

I'm rooting for Bush, too, but he's a compassionate guy. He won't let the bureaucracy go after Kerry. It won't happen. And, if (God forbid) Kerry wins, there will certainly be no inquiry.

52 posted on 08/28/2004 2:27:55 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Let's hope it's not up to him...but the Cowboys of the US Navy.

I know how Bush is.....however there's more too it than compassion!!!

53 posted on 08/28/2004 3:01:18 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; ...





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54 posted on 08/28/2004 4:52:43 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

Thanks for the ping!


55 posted on 08/28/2004 8:22:03 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee
Oh, But military records say this is correct!(will say the Kerry supporting media)

LOL! (puke!)

I hope we can ram this into every media market and shake this story out. This should get some legs.

56 posted on 08/28/2004 8:44:51 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: VOA
Same AP report was published in the Beloit Daily News: http://www.beloitdailynews.com/799/7ill3.htm The report has been removed from their server but feel free to contact the editor of the paper to obtain a copy.

Beloit Daily News
149 State Street - Beloit, Wisconsin 53511
608-365-8811 or 800-356-3411
Office Hours M-F: 8am-5pm Saturdays: 7:30am-11:30am

If you doubt the veracity of the report you can do one of two things. Contact the following:

Executive Director
Board for Correction of Naval Records
2 Navy Annex
Washington, DC 20370-5100
Phone: 703-614-1402
Fax: 703-614-9857

File a FOIA request to obtain a copy of Boorda's OQR.

Since the Board's findings did not support the ridiculous media assertion that Boorda was "hounded" to death it did not get a lot of attention.

57 posted on 08/29/2004 12:57:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wagglebee

Harry Kerry, please.


58 posted on 08/29/2004 1:00:15 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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